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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:08 am 
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I'm building a 24" scale steel string. Do I need to adjust the saddle compensation?

If so, how do I calculate that?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:38 am 
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Yes, you will need to compensate. Try Stewmac's fret position calculator. It is straight forward and should get you close. Here's the link: http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:53 am 
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I have some numbers on compensation for scale lengths of 24" , 25" and 25.5". I will dig them up in the shop today and post them later.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:33 pm 
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Blanchard wrote:
I have some numbers on compensation for scale lengths of 24" , 25" and 25.5". I will dig them up in the shop today and post them later.

M


On my 24" scale length guitars I add 1/32" to the amount of compensation that I use on my 25.5" scale length guitars. This has worked well for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:38 pm 
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You add more compensation on the shorter scale guitar?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:02 pm 
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meddlingfool wrote:
You add more compensation on the shorter scale guitar?



Yes, more compensation on shorter scales. The shorter strings sharp out more when fretted than longer strings.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:56 am 
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Hey, glad I asked. I would have thought less compensation too.

Thanks M.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:27 pm 
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Blanchard wrote:
meddlingfool wrote:
You add more compensation on the shorter scale guitar?



Yes, more compensation on shorter scales. The shorter strings sharp out more when fretted than longer strings.

M


That's certainly been my experience as well. The Stew Mac calculator seems to do the opposite. Any idea what's going on there?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:48 pm 
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Another thing that really helps with shorter scales is shortening the distance from the nut to the first fret. It helps prevent the first 2 or 3 frets from playing sharp.

I actually do this on all my guitars regardless of the scale length. I take off about .020" on scale lengths over 25" and .030 on scale lengths of 25" or less.

I also recommend tuners with at least 16:1 gear ratios on scales less than 25". 18:1 or 21:1 is better. Tuning a short string with a 12:1 tuner can be really touchy.

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Blanchard wrote:
Another thing that really helps with shorter scales is shortening the distance from the nut to the first fret. It helps prevent the first 2 or 3 frets from playing sharp.

I actually do this on all my guitars regardless of the scale length. I take off about .020" on scale lengths over 25" and .030 on scale lengths of 25" or less.

I also recommend tuners with at least 16:1 gear ratios on scales less than 25". 18:1 or 21:1 is better. Tuning a short string with a 12:1 tuner can be really touchy.

M

+1 to a bit of shortening at the nut end. You can always add some length back by shaping the nut, but much more annoying to try to shorten it (which I think my first one, 24.75" scale, needs). On my last one (25.5") I cut it 1/16" short and added some nut compensation ramps, which seems to have helped.

It does confuse things for the measure-nut-to-12th-fret-and-multiply-by-two method of finding scale length, however.


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