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 Post subject: Slothead angle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:04 pm 
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What is the angle you prefer for the scarf joint on a slothead? And why? I see different recommendations ranging from 10 to 15 degrees.

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:31 pm 
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I use 15 degrees, slotted or not. It gives me a break angle that works well, it was the angle recommended in the book from which I learned how to build, and I just don't feel a need to change it to something else.


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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
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I use 14 for solid and 10 for slotted. With a slotted headstock there is extra angle on the strings due to the position of the tuners.

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:30 pm 
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I have always used 15 degrees for both just because I am jigged up for it. I think 10 degrees for a slotted headstock would be better if for no other reason then the high break angle with 15 makes it really tough lifting strings tuned to pitch out of the nut slots when cutting them. It's a pain to have to de-tune and re-tune.

Other than that I don't think it makes too much difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
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10 degrees classical, 15 slotted, (adjustable jig)

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:37 am 
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I use 10 degrees for a slotted headstock because the tuner posts are below the head plate so there is plenty of break angle as Josh says. You have to be careful with your design with steeper angles because the D and G strings can ride on the wood more easily. Also there is less stress on the headstock with a shallower angle and a longer glue joint if you are use a scarf joint.

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
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You only need 7* break angle over the nut anyway. I use 12* for my classical guitars, but I know someone that uses 7*, which probably gives him a 10 plus break angle.

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We (KMG) angle the HS 15 degrees both slotted and paddle --- same as Martin.

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 Post subject: Re: Slothead angle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:42 pm 
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I do em all at 14 degrees. I have absolutely no idea anymore why I selected that number idunno

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