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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:26 pm 
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Besides aesthetics?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:37 pm 
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I used to have a PRS with a scalloped nut. Supposedly, the lack of nut material between the string slots improves downward transfer of string vibration through the nut to the neck by eliminating sideways dissipation of vibrational energy within the nut between the strings. I think the difference has got to be so infinitesimal that the scalloping is just aesthetic in practice.

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It looks nice, and is more work - therefore I can charge more....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:14 pm 
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J De Rocher wrote:
I used to have a PRS with a scalloped nut. Supposedly, the lack of nut material between the string slots improves downward transfer of string vibration through the nut to the neck by eliminating sideways dissipation of vibrational energy within the nut between the strings.



And if you can make up an impressive line of B.S. like this you can charge as much as PRS.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:43 pm 
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Yep. Although PRS certainly wasn't the first.

You can also find examples of guitars with scalloped saddles.

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Weight. At the headstock a gram here and there can make a big difference in the guitar's balance. These details usually don't make a difference but they can add up. As for a scalloped saddle: changes in weight at the bridge can make a bigger difference in tone than pretty much anything else in my humble opinion.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:36 pm 
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If you were the first and only one to offer this, then you can capitalize on the persona of an esoteric artist and craftsman. Board the train too late and you risk just being seen just as following a dated fad. Then again, wishful engineering can still attract a surprising following if sold well.

Really though, it's an aesthetic. Actually it can be a very nice and graceful accent if paired well with the rest of the instrument's styling (or just as easily quite tacky if not placed and executed well).

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Doug Balzer wrote:
Besides aesthetics?


Not convinced yet there is any other reason Doug.

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J De Rocher wrote:
I used to have a PRS with a scalloped nut. Supposedly, the lack of nut material between the string slots improves downward transfer of string vibration through the nut to the neck by eliminating sideways dissipation of vibrational energy within the nut between the strings. I think the difference has got to be so infinitesimal that the scalloping is just aesthetic in practice.


I thought the Hi Fi lot could dream up some real sht but that idea has entered their league, although one would have to get even more creative to overtake them.


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Makes the nut more prone to breaking so you can do more nut work for the customer...

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I've had Scalloped Taters , But never Scalloped Nuts ! laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe


Seems like excessive work for small returns , but then again I dont get massive prices for what I build :shock:

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WudWerkr wrote:
I've had Scalloped Taters , But never Scalloped Nuts ! laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe


Seems like excessive work for small returns , but then again I dont get massive prices for what I build :shock:


There you go again, Wud! Making a mockery of a serious discussion. gaah Ya beat me to it again! gaah

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