Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:56 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 270 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 11  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:00 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
There's a definite change in the density by quarter sawing. It might be my imagination but this crap is hard to carve.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:03 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 3820
Location: Taiwan
First name: Tai
Last Name: Fu
City: Taipei
Country: Taiwan
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
It's different carving through flatsawn vs. quartersawn. Not really change in density but it's more like your blade must plow through more harder growth rings.

_________________
Cat-gut strings are made from kitten guts, stretched out to near breaking point and then hardened with grue saliva. As a result these give a feeling of Pain and anguish whenever played, and often end up playing themselves backwards as part of satanic rituals.

Typhoon Guitars
http://www.typhoon-guitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:07 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:34 am
Posts: 356
Location: Massachusetts
First name: Rob
Last Name: Lak
State: Massachusetts
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Duhjoker wrote:
Bridge plate is about 4mm I chose to add that extra mm because I'm using a pinless bridge.



Just a question here... Is there any reason for a bridge plate when he's using a pinless bridge??? beehive


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:10 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
What do you guys do about small gaps when overlapping braces?

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:27 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:34 am
Posts: 356
Location: Massachusetts
First name: Rob
Last Name: Lak
State: Massachusetts
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
What small gaps???

After seeing many years of work on this site, i suspect that's the answer you'll get.

I am building my first in a shop 2 hours away so i am willing to accept small errors that won't make a difference. If i was working at home i'd probably redo the whole brace. I suspect that you're going to get a whole range of answers from"It doesn't matter" to..."If you skimp there you'll skimp everywhere!!"

good luck with that one.

Braces are cheap.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:42 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 am
Posts: 4820
A gap where a finger or lower face meets an arm of the X, or a gap in the lap joint of the X itself?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:22 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
A gap in the notches of the X joints. Just wide enough I could add a tiny shaving.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:23 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 3820
Location: Taiwan
First name: Tai
Last Name: Fu
City: Taipei
Country: Taiwan
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
I don't think it matters so much, but you do want to cap it with something.

_________________
Cat-gut strings are made from kitten guts, stretched out to near breaking point and then hardened with grue saliva. As a result these give a feeling of Pain and anguish whenever played, and often end up playing themselves backwards as part of satanic rituals.

Typhoon Guitars
http://www.typhoon-guitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:33 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Cool thank you.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:44 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Here's what I have so far. It still needs work and fine tuning of course. I wanted to ask about my bracing. I noticed some people concave the middles of their bracing and some people leave them like mine below. How do I know what works for me.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:45 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Image

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:19 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am
Posts: 1247
First name: Beth
Last Name: Mayer
City: Tucson
State: AZ
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Duhjoker wrote:
A gap in the notches of the X joints. Just wide enough I could add a tiny shaving.


There really shouldn't be a gap in the notch of the x brace. I would at least glue a shaving in there before capping it off to be safe. The tiny gap itself might not be a problem, but if anything a
Else about your gluing or profiling isn't just rite you may get compounding issues (probably not but it can't hurt to blur in a little shim for tightest fit possible)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:23 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
The saw I was using really sucked and kept ripping the wood. I was able to borrow a couple bucks and got some better blades which helped. Thanks for the advisement on the shims. That's what my shop teacher taught me many years ago but I wanted to make sure that would work. With a razor blade and a lil sanding its invisible now.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:08 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Started gluing my kerfing on today. I used binder clips as advised and it the angle they are set at works perfectly. Worst part was gluing the kerf around the cutout because it needed to be tight. Had to do some weird clipping to get it tight. After that it was glue and clip, easy. And for future reference it only takes 6 total strips to line an OM guitar.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:13 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 am
Posts: 4820
Out of curiosity, how tall and wide are your braces?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:25 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:14 am
Posts: 109
First name: Jan-Alexis
Last Name: Tremblay
City: Montreal
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
This top looks overbraced.
Take a look at comparable guitars by searching "guitar bracing" or something like that on google pictures.

Keep it up.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:24 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
All are standard size for the guitar as described in the plans and other sources. Now they are pretty high and need to be shortened in height. I was advised that on a double cut away that I would need to extend the sound hole braces to the neck block to give extra support. I have looked at a lot of different styles and more on bracing and have read a lot about it too. To tell you the truth guys I'm never sure of something no matter how much I've prepared for it till I've actually done it. I learn by doing. I also like to hear others advice and experiences they have learned in the process too.

Hears my kerfing being glued.
Image

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:37 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:14 am
Posts: 109
First name: Jan-Alexis
Last Name: Tremblay
City: Montreal
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Well I can't argue with that.

Good luck.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:42 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Sorry if I sounded rude or defensive. I really do appreciate all your help guys. Really I do. Y'all have been invaluable. Please keep it coming.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:57 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I think I'm done with the soundboard. I went ahead and did some more carving and lowered the height of the all the bracing. I was afraid to mess with it too much more, but it turned out to be better. So far it seems to be balanced and sounds like a soundboard should. Of course I'm using a massed produced guitar as a comparison but I like it.

On the extra long braces at the top if I'm wrong in doing that please tell me. Especially while I have I have a chance to fix it.

Image

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:38 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am
Posts: 1247
First name: Beth
Last Name: Mayer
City: Tucson
State: AZ
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
It looks like you didn't carry the ends of your upper transverse brace or your x brace outside the margin of your top. They need to be let in to the linings.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:00 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I was a lil confused on wether I should somehow notch the kerf or cut the braces to the point where they meet the lining. I've seen it done both ways. I prolly should have errored on the side of caution. If I really messed up I guess I can buy a new soundboard set they aren't that expensive. I've already glued the mottled Makore veneer to the ones I was using as back boards.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:23 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:46 am
Posts: 1247
First name: Beth
Last Name: Mayer
City: Tucson
State: AZ
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Hopefully someone with more knowledge and experience will stop by about this. Some notch just the linings some notch through the whole lining/side combination, which is what I do, and it gets covered with binding. I haven't seen one where the important braces weren't let into the linings or sides and I don't know if the top will hold up under steel string tension. You may be able to find someone with a suggestion . Maybe start a separate post with that question because I'm sure some of the experts that might not be watching this thread would chime in. Good luck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:37 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
If anybody has any ideas on how to proceed I'd love to read them. Otherwise I think I'll just chalk this whole thing up as a learning experience. If anything it will look good on the wall. LOl!!! But really the most expensive part I paid for was the neck which is still untouched and needs to be finished building. And it's a bolt on so what I can do is finish this body set out the best I can since I can replace the sound, back and sides easily enough. And if it doesn't work I'll build another body just like this one but better since I've learned all the do's and do nots. And transfer the neck to the better body. I knew this would be a learning experience to begin with and that my first try at an elaborate instrument might fail. And the cool thing is I have all the tools I need so the second body will go much smoother.

Prolly should rename this topic " what not to do when building an acoustic guitar."

Any way thanks everybody for your help. I do appreciate it. After the body is built I will definitely need tips and advice on how exactly to do the neck right so I can transfer it if needed. And if there is and kind of way to fix my mess please speak up.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:52 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am
Posts: 280
Location: Where Palm trees grow
First name: Jeremy
Last Name: Wood
City: Galveston
State: Texas
Zip/Postal Code: 77554
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
All right all is not lost I can order new sound boards and I still have plenty of bracing. And i looked at my plans and see where i messed up. I do have a question about the back board bracing before I begin. I've seen a lot of back boards and some have a Popsicle brace going down the center and some don't. What's best.

_________________
In order to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
- Carl Sagan

Check out F.O.F. Custom guitars on Facebook.

Www.fofcustomguitar.weebly.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 270 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 11  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 23 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com