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 Post subject: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:21 am 
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A friend of mine and my self tried bending tiger myrtle wood with no luck at all. Process was a fox style bender layered from the bottom up: steel, aluminum foil, wood, aluminum foil steel, heat blanket at about 300 for about 5 to 10 minutes before bending the cut away. It broke both times at the cut away. I soaked in fabric softener for about 1/2 an hour. Wood was .080 so i don't think it was the thickness, pretty much quarter sawn as well. Any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:14 am 
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Blake Dixon wrote:
A friend of mine and my self tried bending tiger myrtle wood with no luck at all. Process was a fox style bender layered from the bottom up: steel, aluminum foil, wood, aluminum foil steel, heat blanket at about 300 for about 5 to 10 minutes before bending the cut away. It broke both times at the cut away. I soaked in fabric softener for about 1/2 an hour. Wood was .080 so i don't think it was the thickness, pretty much quarter sawn as well. Any ideas?

Blake.


Sounds like you over cooked it, 300 degrees is 300 degrees no point in waiting 10 minutes, to bend.


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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:32 am 
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Blake I/ve bent myrtle for a Cl. the sides were old .I used vy little water just a light mist and started bending at 250 deg f on an overholtzer cl alum bending form.which heats up vy slowly. I worked at it vy slowly took abt 1ominute per side.


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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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I'd say that 5 - 10 minutes at 300 degrees dried it out. I've found that there's no point in letting it sit at any particular temperature, just start bending when the temp gets to about 220 or so - when you see steam - and go slowly.

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:23 am 
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I made this video about a year ago. It wasn't meant to be informational, but I do note the routine, and you can see how easily the tiger myrtle bends. What isn't noted is that I let it sit around 300 for about 20 minutes to set the bend.

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Ask his ex. I think she had him bent over pretty well.


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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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laughing6-hehe Took me a minute! laughing6-hehe

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Blake;
did you try to make the bend quickly?

I always bend every side & especially cutaways
very slowly.
If I feel any resistance I stop!
let the wood get more heat & the fibers set to
go again.

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Thanks so much for your help however my problem bend is the cut away. After the bend. The cut away is cracked. All the other bends are good. Any ideas about concentrating on the cut away bend?
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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Blake Dixon wrote:
Thanks so much for your help however my problem bend is the cut away. After the bend. The cut away is cracked. All the other bends are good. Any ideas about concentrating on the cut away bend?


Can you post a pic of the crack? The nature of the crack can be pretty revealing.


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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Blake Dixon wrote:
Thanks so much for your help however my problem bend is the cut away. After the bend. The cut away is cracked. All the other bends are good. Any ideas about concentrating on the cut away bend?


Can you post a pic of the crack? The nature of the crack can be pretty revealing.

wow7-eyes eek wow7-eyes eek I'm not sure Lance is going to like the direction this is going.


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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:15 pm 
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K will do next week I'm away right now I will post the photos and let you guys decide what I did wrong

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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For cutaways or even non-dreadnaught sides, you want to thin the side down to no more than .07" or .065". It doesn't seem like much but the extra few thou of thickness really reduces stiffness by quite a lot and can solve most bending problem.

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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So .08 is to thick?

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It's too thick for cutaways. Even Robbie O Brien recommends thinning to .065" for cutaways and that's for an easy wood like Indian Rosewood.

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:52 am 
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K will do I'll take it down to just over .65 thanks
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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Is this a crack that follows the grain of the wood?
Or a fracture that goes cross grain?

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 Post subject: Re: bending tiger wood
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Fracture across the grain almost a if it was bent to cold.

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