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Introducing Luthier tools company's new binding cutter jig latest and greatest version starting at about 295.00 Contact Luthier Tool company to place your order. Her is a YouTube clip of the new machine. Check out the link below to the site

All the best

Blake

http://youtu.be/PPOohsQA4X0

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

Does it adjust to the height of the guitar by riding on the top?

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Ken

This looks like it could be the new leader in binding cutter designs!

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Brad

How does one adjust height and depth of cut?

The height of the cut is probably adjusted with the depth adjustment on the router/trimmer. I think the depth of cut is adjusted with a thumb wheel. You can see this if you stop the video at 11 seconds. Since the blank that is being cut in the video is flat I'm assuming they will have some kind of carriage setup for acoustic arched instruments, similar to other Ribbecke style binding setups.

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Josh House

Canadian Luthier Supply
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I'm having a base sent to me directly and I will post some photos of the adjustments when I receive it. From my discussions with Chris of Luthier tool company the adjustable base can be sold separately or can be attached to any arm system or purchased complete system from LTC with everything you need minus the laminate trimmer. LTC will be updating their website with their new binding cutter systems real soon.

Thanks

Blake

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

Is that tearout on top or just dust from the cutter being pushed into a ledge?

If dust, I think I'm in love!

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Old growth, shmold growth!

that is also my only concern. Other than that it looks very promising.

Just looks like the path of dust behind the donut to me. Not to mention he's cutting MDF.

This is a cool design, but I don't see myself becoming a convert. I see some benefits, but not enough to sell out my Williams. This design would make sneaking up on the cut pretty easy, but swapping out measured bearings seems like it might be just as quick in practice as fine tuning that final depth.

Seems like a feasible alternative to what's already out there, but not enough to make me want to sell what I already have to give it a try. Could be a good system for those tooling up depending on price. I can't wait to see the two other new system LuthierTool's been developing.

This design is pretty elegant, 'engineeringly' speaking, but I don't see what advantage(s) it has over the bearing system?

Maybe I'm missing something...

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Alain Moisan
Former full time builder of Acoustics, Classicals and Flamencos.
(Now building just for fun!)

Probably the ability to use spiral down cuts...

Nice tool, which is what I would expect from these guys. Their designs are always high quality.
Not cheap

The practical advantages over the bearing system is the ability to fine -tune the cutting size exactly to the binding, and to use a down-cut spiral bit to route the ledge which is potentially a cleaner cut, and also is less likely to rip out a chunk of wood. I make my own binding though, so if I WERE to use the bearing system, I could just make the binding perfectly to fit. In that case, the bearing system would be faster to just slap a bearing on, but in my experience, when those particular cutters start wearing out, they can rip a mean chunk of wood out pretty suddenly.

Bearings and one-inch cutter heads can be expensive to replace when parts start wearing out. Also, you have to happen to have the exact bearing for your binding, or else go under and sand the binding flush, or grab some tape and stick it to the side of the guitar. Or route the ledge a little oversize and sand the side to the binding, giving the side a slightly rounded appearance. Some people like that, so it might not be a problem.

The self-centering function eliminates the cutter disparity.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

Yup, it's the dust. I thought it would be odd if it WERE tearout considering the location, which is somewhere the cutter shouldn't be touching.

It looks like this could be adapted to the williams jig pretty easy, but if you've got all the bearings and have that system down pat, I'd agree with you.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

If it's like my hand held tool, the height is adjusted by the router setting, the depth is adjusted by a trim knob, and the thumb wheel fine tunes the depth of the self-centering guide.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

I would love to cut my channels with a spiral cut bit! hmmm.

I also make my own bindings, so I indeed make them according to the bearings I have. And maybe I've been lucky but after over 70 guitars, I'm still using the same bit. I have not experience much tearout, if any (climb cut is the secret). Although I should buy a new one shortly.

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Alain Moisan
Former full time builder of Acoustics, Classicals and Flamencos.
(Now building just for fun!)

I was talking to Chris at Luthier tool company and he is also designing a dust collection attachment to his new binding cutter that will help in so many ways

Thanks

Blake Dixon

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

I'm still unsure if this rides on the top and adjusts the depth or if it's fixed. In other words would you get an even depth on a carved top?

After talking with Chris it will ride on top of the guitar and depth will be adjusted through the router. The unit can be attached to any arm arrangement that you have previously used. I will be attaching mine to one I purchased from John at Blues Creek. I will take some photos once I have it setup

Thanks

Blake Dixon

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

Wow! What bit do you use? Pro sharpen? How often?

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Pat

Chris recommends a 1/4 in downward spiral cutting bit. The beauty of this system is you use one bit to do all your Channel cutting. Attach this cutting base to any arm or upright stabilized system and away you go

Thanks

Blake Dixon

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

When I was talking to him, he told me the mechanism that allows it to follow the top would be gas balance to minimize the pressing on the top due to gravity.

Is this still a feature?

When will this be up on his website for me to order?!?

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Old growth, shmold growth!

Pretty sure the gas shock system is still a feature that will be available. This should be up on his website this month

Thanks

Blake Dixon

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Blake Dixon
Kelowna B.C.

It's up on the page, now, hit F5 to refresh your web page.......

Gas shock system is not a feature, spiral bit needs the weight.

Not a problem though....

He also has a horizontal version system coming out that will also be super slick, and another hand held....

Three new binding systems.

LOVE this company!

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Old growth, shmold growth!