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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:01 am 
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Its expensive in large quantities...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:04 am 
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Todd Stock wrote:
Hot hide here...cleans out easily on a refret as well. I use a 5 ounce deadblow hammer from MSC - the orange Stanley, and a standard brass and hard plastic hammer for the few frets that need a little more persuasion. My approach to fretting over the body is to back the area with something relatively massive (3 lb bag of lead shot) and suspend the body...the lead sucks up the bounce and the firm taps seat the fret with minimum bother. As mentioned, it's not John Henry...consistent, firm taps. I seat one side of the tang, then work across the fret for standard fretwork that is not cut-to-length.


HHG here as well. I warm the frets laying on the edge of my hold-heet glue pot, and the glue sets pretty fast as i tap the fret into the cold fingerboard. Big plus for the cleanup too:)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:53 am 
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Lars I love that fixture for your full bolt-on necks. I use a full bolt on too.

I glue on the board, shape the neck, and level the fretboard with a little tension on the rod while it's bolted onto the guitar. Sand in some drop off. Fret to about 10 with jaws (still bolted onto the guitar), then support the headstock and add about 6lbs of weight on each shoulder of the upper bout and see what the neck is doing. Adjust the truss rod and then look at the extension. If I need more drop off I can sand it in at this point and even out the transition and then fret the extension. I use the lead shot filled bag too and compress the tangs a little on those frets. Love the Orange Stanley hammer-Thanks Todd.

I've been using the off the shelf hide. If it's fresh it dries hard like glass. I stick some in a syringe with an 18G needle to lay it in the slots. You may say I'm nuts but I am absolutely convinced that hide in the fret slots does good things for tone.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:57 am 
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Tai Fu wrote:
I dont really have access to lead shots... I have looked. Dont say gun shop because its illegal in my country. I can only get lead blocks. I have been using wood blocks or a piece of brick to back it up


Use a sand bag.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:59 am 
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I use a bunch Of copper/silver BB/s from walmart in a large sock . abt 2lbs worth.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:07 am 
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What about sand, will that work?

As for dead fret, are you sure it's level? I find that 99% of dead fret complaints are from frets not as level as I thought they were...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:37 am 
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Just in case all the newbies think that nobody frets before gluing the fretboard to the neck, well, there are many of us, including many well-respected factories. My reasoning is well-documented, so I won't repeat it.

BTW, can't get lead shot in Canada, either... I have to show ID and sign a bunch of stuff just to buy a little wee box of .177 pellets. Wasn't lead banned in shotgun shells many decades ago because we were poisoning our wetlands with lead....? I haven't hunted in about 30 years, and never owned or used a shotgun, but I remember others lamenting the demise of lead shot... Lead might be an American-only thing? At any rate, I use sandbags...


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I can only get lead blocks.

I started out by using a five-pound block of lead, just because it was handy. It was a by-product of my father's profession....making tin cans with soldered seams.

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What about sand, will that work?

Yes.

Martin now frets the fingerboards beforehand....just as Gibson has always done.
I have done it plenty of times in my repair work, but I am not convinced that it is best....particularly if you are of the belief that the compression of the frets adds to the integrity of the neck.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:09 am 
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I'm not sure if I'd remove a dovetailed neck just for a refret... I'd have to quote for a neck reset job to do it off the body. For repair work unfortunately hammering over a body is required.

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