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stan thomison
 Post subject: Re: Kerfing Discussion
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Stan that could be spruce , willow, poplar. etc but only 1.5mm thick laughing6-hehe . Nice to see you on the forum again cheers ernie
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My copy of Cumpiano and Natelson's book is around someplace, but I cannot lay hands on it at the moment ... FTR, did Bill refer to "kerfing" , or to "kerfed lining" in the book ?
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When C/N introduce kerfed lining and describe how to make them, they use the full, complete name. But in the next few pages you'll see them referred to as "kerfing strips", and by the time you get to gluing them onto your sides they are abbreviated to "kerfing". wow7-eyes

Can you blame them? First off, it would be very boring and repetitive to read "kerfed lining" about 400 times in three pages. Second, and most importantly, I assume they didn't have copy/paste functionality on their typewriters. :lol:
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Fantastic post, Todd, I am in awe ...and also in total agreement ...
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Tom West
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Ain't isn't in the dictonary...................................................OH my gosh it is...............How do we think the use of certain words came about in languages..........???
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If you use the right kerfing, expecially around the waste a guitar will have really good base.

Chris (the OP) if you're still reading this thread, I call it "kerfing" too. I'm not an English major............heck, I'm not even English. wow7-eyes


Back to your original question, I believe good tight construction is more important than the type of kerfing, or even if the kerfing is kerfed or not. I normally use standard triangular "kerfed linings" made from Spanish Cedar. For me it's easy to make, and I love the smell of Spanish Cedar. Ironically, "Spanish Cedar" is neither Spanish, or Cedar. Maybe that's why it makes good kerfing.

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It's only been the last 100 years or so that we've decided that the word was improper or uncouth.

Don't ya just hate it when that happens? laughing6-hehe
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Whether we like it or not, I think the term ‘kerfing’ is here to stay, considering it is commonly used by builders like Ryan, Olson and Cumpiano, and suppliers like Stewmac, LMI and Allied. That doesn’t, of course, mean we can’t continue to tap into the snob appeal of dis’ing its use for some time to come. laughing6-hehe ;)
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Todd Stock wrote:
murrmac wrote:
Imagine some want-to-be builder in rural Texas in the late 1970's...he sees an ad in the back of Fine Woodworking from LMII (Build a Guitar!), sends a stamped, self-addressed envelope off in the mail, and a few weeks later receives a price list. With a Martin D-28 in hand, he orders what he hopes will be the correct bits and pieces to build his own instrument, and thus, begins using kerfing as a noun. Years later, our now salty, cocksure, very experienced builder will argue the validity of his own incorrect terminology and usage, citing of all things LMI's catalog.

These sort of usages are persistent - sort of zombie memes of a sort...burn them, stab them, shoot them, and they somehow stagger back into usage.

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Man...got through all that with a straight face. I credit five bright, fractious sibs and a dinnertime tradition of verbally pounding the snot out of each other.


Wouldn't this hypothetical person be a maker rather than builder? beehive

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I think using clear, consistent, correct terminology is anything but snobbish...those using unnecessarily , convoluted, or simply incorrect terminology make the craft less - rather than more - understandable.


Agreed, although I doubt the term 'kerfing' ever confused anyone considering it is newbies who seem to use it most frequently.
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OK, maybe I am the snob and/or idiot in this discussion; it wouldn’t be the first time and I’m confident it won’t be the last. Still, I think it unnecessary and uncool (oops, it happened again) to shame (whoa, there it goes again!!!) the latest member to use the term when it is what he/she sees when buying the product from StewMac/LMI/Allied and what is described in his/her Cumpiano and Kinkade books. It hasn’t happened in this thread but has in plenty of others, and it’s not the etymological analyses I am referring to here.

Why not just face the fact that “kerfing” entered the mainstream some time ago and is in common use by many of the most respected luthiers in the trade. It’s not going away. Why do we feel the need to repeatedly go the rounds with it here? Do you honestly think the term is confusing anyone? Really?
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In other words, gracefully accept the fact that humans err?


Yes.
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out-of-context quotes,



I couldn't help myself laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe

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What about purfling? When did we start using a transitive verb to describe a purfle? Eat Drink

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How about " Necking " I have done some of My Best " Necking " during the last two builds !! pfft laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe

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I know 'tis the season for incomplete and out-of-context quotes, but when it's more work to delete the last two words that

It's no trouble at all, Todd. :D
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How about " Necking " I have done some of My Best " Necking " during the last two builds !! pfft laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe


Now that's a step in the build process I have been overlooking. [:Y:]

On a related note, I cut up an old pair of my wife's leggings and have been using them for hand buffing. :shock: laughing6-hehe
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Forget this falderal, what's all this about rural Texans in the late 1970's?

Everbody nose we builds the bestest dem gitt'rs on the planet, and I'll be drug down to Houston before I let some high-faluttin' wurd-picker tell me what to call anythin.

Education my coon dog!

Everbody nose ya put them kerfings on them bendings, glue on them sounders, slide on a handle, and what in thunder is soooo hard to un'erstand about that?

Lookee here, ya wanna build gitt'rs or don'cha? Git off'n yer Webstur, get yerself down to roooral Texas, and we're gonna learn ya a thing or three about all this.

That there's an invite, pardner.

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Git off'n yer Webstur

Apologies for the selective quoting, but that bit made me spray apple juice all over my keyboard. laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe [:Y:]

Thanks fer the laff, Bubba! 8-)
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johnparchem wrote:
What about purfling? When did we start using a transitive verb to describe a purfle? Eat Drink


I tried to raise this point earlier. To answer your question, we started doing that about 150 years ago. As far as I can tell, stringed instrument builders were the corruptors. At this point, the damage is done. Had there been retired pilots in 1848, we'd still be getting upset about "purflings".
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Dang those stringed instrument builder!. Corruptors, all of 'em! Well, MOST of 'em... :D
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