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Tony, just how many men dressed up as ugly women does it take to fill one of your imported British funny barrels?

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That's a pretty big barrel, or pretty small men

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Not really. When you render a human to get only the funny, you are left with just a couple of liters of kerf like material. Litres in the case of Europeans.

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I actually use standard kerfing for the top and reverse kerfing for the back, and here's why:

I use the Cumpiano/Natelson method of gluing the blocks to the top and then gluing on the sides individually (with top kerfing pre-glued to the sides). Standard kerfing leaves the sides a bit more flexible, and this allows me to force the sides to the exact shape of the outline as I glue and clamp them to the top. After the sides are glued to the top, they are in the exact shape I want, and then I can glue on the reverse back kerfing. This makes the sides more rigid, which is great, since I already have them right where I want them. Finally when I rope on the back, I inevitably get a little squeeze-out, but the reverse kerfs against the side of the guitar hide it really well. I also like the look of reverse kerfing when I peek through the sound hole. For my method, it is structurally and aesthetically the best of both worlds.

Spruce Cello lining

Stan that could be spruce , willow, poplar. etc but only 1.5mm thick . Nice to see you on the forum again cheers ernie

My copy of Cumpiano and Natelson's book is around someplace, but I cannot lay hands on it at the moment ... FTR, did Bill refer to "kerfing" , or to "kerfed lining" in the book ?

When C/N introduce kerfed lining and describe how to make them, they use the full, complete name. But in the next few pages you'll see them referred to as "kerfing strips", and by the time you get to gluing them onto your sides they are abbreviated to "kerfing".

Can you blame them? First off, it would be very boring and repetitive to read "kerfed lining" about 400 times in three pages. Second, and most importantly, I assume they didn't have copy/paste functionality on their typewriters.

Fantastic post, Todd, I am in awe ...and also in total agreement ...

Ain't isn't in the dictonary...................................................OH my gosh it is...............How do we think the use of certain words came about in languages..........???
Tom

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If you use the right kerfing, expecially around the waste a guitar will have really good base.

Chris (the OP) if you're still reading this thread, I call it "kerfing" too. I'm not an English major............heck, I'm not even English.


Back to your original question, I believe good tight construction is more important than the type of kerfing, or even if the kerfing is kerfed or not. I normally use standard triangular "kerfed linings" made from Spanish Cedar. For me it's easy to make, and I love the smell of Spanish Cedar. Ironically, "Spanish Cedar" is neither Spanish, or Cedar. Maybe that's why it makes good kerfing.

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Don't ya just hate it when that happens?

Todd: One can always depend on you for an extra bit of knowledge. And I say that with out any malice.
Tom

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Whether we like it or not, I think the term ‘kerfing’ is here to stay, considering it is commonly used by builders like Ryan, Olson and Cumpiano, and suppliers like Stewmac, LMI and Allied. That doesn’t, of course, mean we can’t continue to tap into the snob appeal of dis’ing its use for some time to come.

Wouldn't this hypothetical person be a maker rather than builder?

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Agreed, although I doubt the term 'kerfing' ever confused anyone considering it is newbies who seem to use it most frequently.

A great man once said, "I pity the fool!"
And he did.

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OK, maybe I am the snob and/or idiot in this discussion; it wouldn’t be the first time and I’m confident it won’t be the last. Still, I think it unnecessary and uncool (oops, it happened again) to shame (whoa, there it goes again!!!) the latest member to use the term when it is what he/she sees when buying the product from StewMac/LMI/Allied and what is described in his/her Cumpiano and Kinkade books. It hasn’t happened in this thread but has in plenty of others, and it’s not the etymological analyses I am referring to here.

Why not just face the fact that “kerfing” entered the mainstream some time ago and is in common use by many of the most respected luthiers in the trade. It’s not going away. Why do we feel the need to repeatedly go the rounds with it here? Do you honestly think the term is confusing anyone? Really?

Yes.

I couldn't help myself

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What about purfling? When did we start using a transitive verb to describe a purfle?

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How about " Necking " I have done some of My Best " Necking " during the last two builds !!

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It's no trouble at all, Todd.

Now that's a step in the build process I have been overlooking.

On a related note, I cut up an old pair of my wife's leggings and have been using them for hand buffing.