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it is what it is. As long as you know what you are speaking about all is good. Nomenclature may dictate kerfed or solid linings but it has become a slang. Lets face it many have gotten lazy with oral skills. 2 things that drive me up a wall " I gotta ax you a question" 2nd " you know what I sayin"
so I ax you , when I do my kerfin , you know what I sayin

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

I just use solid top and back now. I have used kerfed linings and prefer the traditional ones not the reversed.

As far as how it looks... meh... I try to make the outside of the guitar pretty, the inside is functional which is a beauty of it's own.

I stand corrected, I foolishly refered to what are obviously unkerfed linings as solid!
I have no evidence to back it up, but it seems to me that more mass at the edge of the plates might be a good thing?

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A man hears what he wants to hear, and disreguards the rest. Paul Simon

Except I referred to mine as solid when they are actually laminated.

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Steve Smith
"Music is what feelings sound like"

all this is for is a gluing surface. I don't see any tonal inference unless you really get crazy. As long as they attach the top and back to the sides is all you need. In a guitar Mass is the enemy . Few heavy guitars will sound good so the lighter you can make them the better off you will be. Of course there is a balance as it needs to withstand the stresses applied

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

Minor disagreement. Mass is only the enemy in the wrong places, i.e., top, bridges, braces, etc. May not be a disadvantage in the linings or the sides at all. As a matter of fact there is some justification for adding mass to sides in certain situations. Ask Trevor!

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Waddy

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Sound Clips of most of my guitars

true
there are areas that don't matter much . I think it is safe to say that you don't want to over build .

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

I'm also a proponent of lighter is better. I guess I'll start using poplar or basswood for my laminated unkerfed linings.

edit:Two posts while I was typing, maybe I'll keep using oak!

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A man hears what he wants to hear, and disreguards the rest. Paul Simon

But they're not solid. They're full of tiny little holes. The correct term is "pored linings" (as opposed to Smallman's "poured linings"--which are solid).

Lex--how do you feel about "purfle" vs. "purfling"?

Purfle would be the transitive verb. You could purfle the top, but (as you were doing it) you would say I am purfling this top right now. Though you could wax nostalgic about when you purfled the top or you could look forward to the time you purfle the top. The end product (decorated edge) would be considered purfling much like its border the binding (not bind). I suppose the actual material would be called purfling though that is a bit shaky as it doesn't really become purfling it is used to purfle -- I think until then it has to be called purfling material/stock. . .

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

When I talk about linings (which usually gets mashed together as one word "kerflining"), purfling and so on, my lovely wife calls it "Smurf talk"
-C

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Freeborn Guitars
and home of BeauGuard©

+1 for Ryan A4

Marc

Are you Schtroumpfing?!?! The purfles available from Hermanos Pitufos are the only ones I know of with integral swarf. I've never been able to source laminate my linings pre-swarfed. I'd make them myself, but it takes about the same time as it would to but all the kerflings.

One can purfle a guitar with purfling all he or she likes,
and one can kerf a lining all night 'till the break of dawn,
but there is no kerfing to be kerfed, for there simply
is no such thing as kerfing at all.

The real problem here is that you assume people are talking about solid wood kerfs when they say solid kerfing. In reality they've always been referring to solid air kerfs and they get a chuckle out of the fact that we haven't caught on yet!

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Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com

Wow! So that's what John Martyn was singing about!

Alex

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"Indecision is the key to flexibility" .... Bumper sticker

Eric, I get my integral swarf stock from Costa Guitars. It is actually their regected kerfing stock. Somehow, they have genetically engineered trees to grow kerfs. Apparently when they process the logs, they sell off the wood that didn't develop the kerfs. I use this to make my linings. Personally, I think Tony is lying. I think he is just keeping the extra kerfs for himself. I heard he has a whole barrel filled with nothing but kerfs, which is unfair because my dust collector is now filled with nothing but swarf.

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

I had forgotten about Tony. Great guy, but I stopped doing business with him when he refused to provide Lacey documentation for the kerfs. Excellent product--no question there, but where is he sourcing his kerfs?

Another +1 for Ryan A4 Kerfed Linings. I wish I'd thought of the idea first. Kevin is indeed a clever fellow!!
I have a patent license from him that allows me to make and use A4 Kerfed Linings for my own guitars

On my "2012 2nd Round Challenge" thread, I have some video and pics of the version I make. I like a simple rounded-off corner rather than the flat angle cut that Kevin uses.

If we ever have another Swapalooza, I will probably sell my stash of old "kerfings" on.....

Cheers,
Dave F.

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Cambrian Guitars

"There goes Mister Tic-Tac out the back with some bric-brac from the knick-knack rack"

That is the other reason I don’t use kerfs. You can’t tell by looking at them what species they came from and my labels don’t stick to them. I kept worrying I would end up with an impedance mismatch from accidentally using BWR kerfs with mahogany linings. I’d like to say I don’t have to worry about the feds raiding my shop for cities listed kerfs, but I have a pile of them somewhere that came from who knows where. I’d put them up in the classifieds but I can’t seem to find them.

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

I get my ultra premium deluxe solid laminated kurfles from "Costa Guitars". They are guaranteed fresh; translating directly to improved earth-tones.

From the Costa Guitars patent of the ultra premium deluxe solid laminated kurfles:

"The advantage of our product is obvious to even the most discriminating ear. The patent pending design of our special ultra premium deluxe solid laminated kurfles allows air to freely flow over the surface, where other boring kerfed linings allow air to get trapped in all the kerfs disturbing the air flow inside the box and reduces the "freshness" of the sound. By guaranteeing the freshness of our product, the earth-tones are measurably improved. Our Costa Guitars ultra premium deluxe solid laminated kurfles, will make any average guitar great; a great guitar extraordinary; and an extraordinary guitar... well you get the picture. You will find no better way to improve the fresh air flow inside a guitar - guaranteed to maximize earth-tone."

I support Costa Guitars and their products! My guitars have never sounded better.

Wow! I thought my unkerfed laminated linings were cool, but they do nothing for earthtones

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A man hears what he wants to hear, and disreguards the rest. Paul Simon

I use solid, two-part laminated linings, stepped in height, because I'm right, and everyone else is wrong.

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Hey guys! Thanks for dragging me into this thread. I had no idea it involved any humor at all and at Costa guitars, we love funny! I have several barrels full of BRW kerfs. I also have several barrels full of imported "funny" but the British stuff seems to go over most peoples heads so we dont sprinkle it into guitars destined for the US market. Before any Costa guitar leaves our city/factory, we pour roughly two gallons of Brazilian Rosewood kerfs into each and every one of them. You might not see any difference, but you can hear it. Our standard kerfs don't add any mass, but our solid laminated kerfs do remove a little but it is only measurable on an atomic level.
I am currently packaging up some Brazilian rosewood kerfs (CITES docs included!!) that anyone can buy and add to their guitar at any stage, even a completed guitar! These are exciting times indeed. Can't afford a set of Brazilian Rosewood to build your dream guitar? Buy a pint of old growth, straight grained, presentation grade, private stock Brazilian Rosewood kerfs to slather all over your guitar while under construction, or pour the pure kerfs right into the soundhole of your completed guitar to add some of that pre-war sound! (Don't worry, our kerfs won't hamper the mojo from your rattle snake rattle. In fact, scientific testing proves that our BRW kerfs will actually enhance the mojo of the rattle! So phone the neighbors and wake the kids ladies and gentlemen! Re-up your classifieds subscription or head to CostaGuitars.com to pick up a pint or 12 of Costa Guitars, CITES certified and documented Brazilian Rosewood kerfs. Your momma will be proud of you. You will finally 'get the girl'. You will get a new job. Invent a million dollar thingie. You will have fresh, minty breath all of the time. Costa Guitars...we have the sh!t you want.
Stay tuned for A-5 kerfed linings, Zippier Flex pearl purflings, and new, better versions of other peoples inventions which I will give them no credit for!

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