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 Post subject: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:56 pm 
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I searched but didn't find anything...so is anybody here using it? How do you like it? The claim of buffing in 7 days seems a bit uhhh optimistic :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:20 pm 
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I've been using it lately.
It's the fastest curing lacquer I've tried.
You have to step back on the pressure--I use a gravity feed hvlp setup, and have to use 20 lbs. pressure, a 50% reduction from what I was using.
Addam Stark says to increase the distance to 24" away from the tip--if possible.
Also found that it won't tolerate a too-heavy coat.
Micro bubbles form in the heavy build, which can be difficult to remove.

Other than the different techniques required, it is a fine product.
It cures unbelievably fast, and gives what seems a better gloss.

Hope that helps,

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:46 pm 
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Yeah, it helps. I was on the fence about giving it a go but I think I'll order some to try out. Do you use their vinyl sealer? I've used shellac as my sealer and would just as soon stay with it unless there is a problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:56 am 
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Steve Kinnaird wrote:
I've been using it lately.
It's the fastest curing lacquer I've tried.
You have to step back on the pressure--I use a gravity feed hvlp setup, and have to use 20 lbs. pressure, a 50% reduction from what I was using.
Addam Stark says to increase the distance to 24" away from the tip--if possible.
Also found that it won't tolerate a too-heavy coat.
Micro bubbles form in the heavy build, which can be difficult to remove.

Other than the different techniques required, it is a fine product.
It cures unbelievably fast, and gives what seems a better gloss.

Hope that helps,

Steve


Steve - if I may ask, how fast is unbelievably fast? 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:01 am 
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Addam has done several guitars for me with Cardinal, they look great and the stuff seems a little more flexible and less prone to chipping during cleanup and flossing the neck joint.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:11 am 
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Drop Mac Schurmeier an e-mail and he will send you the recommended finish schedule. There was a discussion a while back in regards to their UV cure finish as well. Very interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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RaymundH wrote:
Drop Mac Schurmeier an e-mail and he will send you the recommended finish schedule. There was a discussion a while back in regards to their UV cure finish as well. Very interesting.

Mac Schurmeier
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Hey Raymund, Have you found a seller in Canada? I was just reading about Cardinal on the LMI site. Sounds pretty interesting.

Thanks,
Danny


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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Where can this lacquer be purchased at a reasonable price. I live close to LMI but by the time I pay the sales tax I'm close to $80 a gallon. That is too much for this wood butcher.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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jason c wrote:
Yeah, it helps. I was on the fence about giving it a go but I think I'll order some to try out. Do you use their vinyl sealer? I've used shellac as my sealer and would just as soon stay with it unless there is a problem.


Yes, I have been using their vinyl sealer. Just not sure it's as compatible w/ shellac as is McFadden's--may they rest in peace.
Still a fine product. What I like is there is not that temperamental intolerance to generic thinners that Behlen's displays.
Cardinal seems as forgiving as the old McFaddens.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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Steve - if I may ask, how fast is unbelievably fast? 8-)


30 minutes.


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Not buying that?
Ok, more like a week. Of course, you might want to luxuriate and give it 8 days....

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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Steve Kinnaird wrote:
30 minutes.


laughing6-hehe


Not buying that?
Ok, more like a week. Of course, you might want to luxuriate and give it 8 days....

Steve


Well, 7 days sounds OK, but 8 would be pushing the limits of my patience. ;)

Seriously, that is pretty darned fast. Thanks for the info Steve!

Charlie


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm 
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has anyone tried it over shellac yet?

also has anyone tried it for repairs on old lacquer?


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinal lacquer
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Crazymanmichael, as I stated in the other thread about nitro, I have one that will be ready to wet sand this week that I sprayed with Cardinal over shellac. Went on like any lacquer, maybe a little thinner so I put on an extra coat. Measured after 6 days and thickness is 4 mils. No problems with adhesion noticed on wet sanding between day 1 and 2 of shooting.

For repair it may need tinting since it is water clear.

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