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IIRC, the braces run between strings.
Mike, don't forget Trevor has only been responding to someone else's post, he didn't start it to hock his wares.

See guitar building as a science rather than religion? Are you into evidence rather than anecdotes. Want to get a jump in the performance of your guitars? These books are for you. I've been reading through the books by Trevor and Gerard for about 4 weeks now and am blown out by how good they are. Finally someone has described the guitar and how it works in a rigorous, scientific and technical manner, and they have backed it up providing many details and heaps of technical data from their years of building great guitars. Never have I read a lutherie book where the author is prepared to give away so much accumulated experience not just in how to cut a truss rod slot but in how to make your guitars sound better. And they give very technical details that allow us to easily test our guitars and analyse the results. Then they go into great detail diagnosing potential problems with resonances and intonation and how to fix them. Plus heaps more.
These books are a game changer, they are so much better than anything currently out there and those that get into the techniques will improve their guitar building immeasurably. They will become seminal works and hopefully, drive other authors to be as generous with their experience and knowledge as Trevor and Gerard.
Cheers
Dom

P.S. It’s a real shame that some people just want to pick a fight with Trevor. I would encourage them to at least read the books before they start making negative comments on them or the author. Trevor has been kind enough to offer his services to answer any questions people may have when reading the books. He is doing the same thing over on the ANZLF. I don't see this as spruiking but as a generous offer of technical support from the author.

I'm curious if falcate bracing could be applied to archtops? If so, how?

I drill the bridge pin holes before I put the bracing in. It's not really as problematic as that sounds. The method is fully explained in the usual place. Of course, it does mean that all your alignments have to be good, but it's not "rocket surgery". An alternative is to use a pinless bridge.



No reason why not, that I can see. But I've never built an arch top, so I'm not the best person to ask!!

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I agree Dom it is a shame, but then over time we have witnessed many of those with the most to offer get turned away from the OLF by the ingratitude, and in some cased, plain rudeness that is hurled like a spanner into good topics by those whom in many cases would probably benefit most from what is being shared if they could just allow themselves some time off of centre stage...The big shame is that when those with experience, knowledge 'and' a willingness to share get fed up are final driven away, everybody, even those who had seen the real value from the start, has lost out......again.

Cheers

Kim

Some folks have hurled the spanners, some people like to sneak them in.

Mike

Rocket surgery? That's a new one, and I actually live in the Rocket City!

Thanks, I see what you mean.

Mike

?? Do you mean this??

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??Link??

All I get is "You are not authorised to read this forum"

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The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.

Exactly!

Your task, should you care to accept it, is to figure out which thread it used to link to!

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Didn't take long to figure it out..
Only been 2 threads on falcate bracing so far!

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The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.

6 minutes!

Good effort!

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Been around for long time since way back when a loofier was a lute maker., you know...long before we was born.

Guess what...its still used by modern day loofiers in making lutes. Yes its true.

Its part of being a loofier, although most loofiers of today are a one trick horse with little knowledge of their ancestral heritage, or the tricks and licks of the craft.

Just another oh well.


Blessings

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Hi Padma. Are you referring to the J brace that some lutes have, or something else?

Thanks.

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Well jason

Yes it can.

In me Quick and Dirty Twisted Classical Traveler Build
the parallels are not straight!
They have a slight curve away from each other under the bridge. This then is a mild form of "Falcated " bracing.
It was done to place more support directly under the bridge feet although it is hardly noticeable in the pic.

Arch toppers are either Parallel or X braced. Both need to be scribed cut and fitted to the top. The parallel type are normally straight, unless your into a very narrow body situation like in me Traveler build.

However the X bracing can be boomerang shaped, sickled or bent or Falcated....but then it wouldn't be "X" bracing any more now wood it. Nope it would be bent parallels. Although they would be distributing the tension in the top like "X's" , and look like "X's" and even offer the tonal quality of "X's". But as they are not crossing each other, they are technically "Parallels" although they are far from parallel. Think about it.

Any braceing that has a bends in it may be called Falcate.

Trevor Gore seems to have mastered applying the principle to flat toppers.

Archtopers are hard enough to produce as is...IMO their is no advantage in the added effort unless it serves a purpose as it does in me narrow body Traveler designs and even here it could even be eliminated.


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Um, yes.

Any brace that is bent can be considered as Falcated..."J", boomeranged or sickled or whatever shape.

But then what do me know bout nuthin.


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Who are you, and what have you done with Padma?

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Waddy

Photobucket Build Album Library

Sound Clips of most of my guitars

Perhaps you missed reading me obituary a few weeks back.
Me is same old Padma
just a new retread job.

Pay no attention to me tread marks, or is that thread remarks. No matter,same difference.


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Phew! Thanks, Padma. At least I can sleep easy in the knowledge that most lutes are still ladder braced!

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