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I was thinking about finding a cow and making my own hot hide glue. Any advice?

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Old growth, shmold growth!

Dont get caught stealing the cow lol

JK, I think there are some youtube videos on the subject.

I don't know how to make glue, but I do know you only need certain parts like connective tissue, which the cow will not want to give you! Not sure cows are the right animal (as opposed to rabbits) either, but...

Don't

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I hear it smells real bad, your neighbors might complain. The flakes are not all that expensive, I would put my energy into other projects.

Fred

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Firstly, I hope you're not really serious. Secondly, I'm of Fred's opinion. There are far better uses of your time and energy when it comes to building. MHO.

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Mike

The only thing nescessary for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing.

Seems somewhat bizarre to me. Why not just buy the granule stuff already to go and stuff? But if it's something you need to conquer! Go for it....Just let us know the outcome!

Jeff

I am enjoying this one because the responses look similar to what people on guitar playing forums get when they ask about making a guitar...

Perhaps a google search for the Official Rendering Forum is in order to make contact with like-minded individuals (Gluthiers ?)

"There was a famous jockey that never lost a race. When asked how he achieved this, he replied, I whisper in the horse's ear: Roses are red, violets are blue. Horses that lose are made into glue."



-jd

Why not start with one of the recipes that starts with $1.00 worth of vellum instead of a whole cow?

If you were really feeling crazy - you could probably make it out of an old leather football laying in the back of the garage.... if the idea of "Pig skin glue" didn't offend your sensibilities...

Thanks

Frank Ford says he makes hide glue from gelatin.
http://www.frets.com/fretspages/luthier ... nglue.html

But where does the gelatin come from?

I think it's really just as simple as making soup with cow hide and boiling it down very slowly. Not my idea of a good time.

Oh, skip the turnips and onions if you do try this.

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[quote="Andy Birko"]
But where does the gelatin come from?

Gelatin is people!
No, maybe it's soylent green that's people.

Would give a different meaning to "Hand" made.

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Mike

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Lots of great advice guys, but so far no one has answered a very important question:
How do I actually get the skin off the cow, and do I have to dry it out or treat it somehow?
I've located a suiteable cow, I believe, residing in a field near my neighborhood. No one ever comes to visit it, so I don't think it would be missed.
I can probbly make some homemade gelatin from it's hoove's too.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

Lots of great advice guys, but so far no one has answered a very important question:
How do I actually get the skin off the cow, and do I have to dry it out or treat it somehow?
I've located a suiteable cow, I believe, residing in a field near my neighborhood. No one ever comes to visit it, so I don't think it would be missed.
I can probbly make some homemade gelatin from it's hoove's too.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

Any way that gets the pig clean!

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The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.

I would start with a sharp knife.

Work fast, though, the cow will probably object!

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It's not so much what happens if the law catches you... It's the farmer that I'm more worried about....

Better to start on a smaller scale if you ask me.....

You can find road kill animals all over the sides of the road come spring... Why not scrape up a dead cat and boil up a batch of Cat-glue?

Thanks

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render that down, and you can get er dun

I'm not a fan of cat glue; it is difficult to control and often creeps when you least expect it. You can never seem to find it when you want it and it seems to turn up in the oddest places. For example, I often find my neighbor's cat glue squeeze out in my kids' sandbox...I know it's my neighbor's because I don't own any cat glue! It can, however, be reused up to 9 times.

Dog glue, on the other hand, is typically very adaptable and user friendly with a very tenacious bite. There are many varieties available for use in numerous applications. Many luthiers consider this glue to be their best friend in the shop. Oddly enough, it is made into soup in some countries, although that is generally frowned upon in Western cultures. For more information about dog glue, contact the KAC (K-9 Adhesive Consortium).

Now rabbit glue is a different animal altogether...talk about a fast-drying glue!