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 Post subject: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:21 am 
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Hey guys...Here is a buffing assembly that I found and have ordered...For any one interested here is the link.....Larry
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Buffing-Assembly/H3559


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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:04 pm 
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I use this one and modified it to run a 14 and 16 inch wheels. I use a 1/4 hp motor. 1725 and works well.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:10 pm 
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Hi John,

What modifications were needed to use the 14" to 16" wheels? I'm considering purchasing
one of these myself rather then going DIY.

Info would much be appreciated.

Thanks - Luc


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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:26 pm 
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I was a machinist and have a metal lathe and milling machine. I made an arbor bushings for 3/4 inch to 1 inch for the larger buffing wheels

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:13 pm 
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Hi John,

Thank You !

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:21 pm 
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I have the same Shop Fox arbor myself and have been very pleased with it. If there's a downside, it's that the shaft is quite short (compared to the more expensive Stew-Mac alternative) and I found myself knocking the guitar body against the housing from time to time. Luckily, I had some closed-cell foam offcuts which I've taped over the assembly and the problem is solved.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:58 pm 
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This is my buffer. http://www.caswellplating.com/buffs/34hpbuffkit.html I have the 1100 RPM one. At 3/4 HP it can jerk a guitar out of your hands and destroy it, so you have to be careful. It's more expensive than an arbor, and motor, but I only had to buy one piece, instead of buying and arbor, then a motor, and making something to put it all together. I do however like the idea of having a belt that could possibly slip, instead of grabbing the guitar.

John, is your motor 1725 RPM, or your wheel speed 1725 RPM after pulley reduction? I use 12" buffs (at 1100RPM) with Lacquer or Varnish, or 16" buffs with Catalyzed Urethane or Polyester.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:52 pm 
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I also use this buffing arbor. I made some plastic adapters to use the larger
wheels. I liked the idea of a separate motor and arbor so I can fine tune the
speed of the buffs with pulley changes. I clamp it to the bench while buffing.


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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:17 pm 
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Hey Gene,

Nice setup, thanks for the pics !

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
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I purchased the shopfox arbor and the stewmac motor and assembled my own set up . By doing it this way was able to get the end result for about half what stewmac wants for the setup complete . A little more work involved . The shopfox has a very short v belt so I replaced it with one twice as long and then got a lawn mowere idler pully for tension .
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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:24 pm 
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Gene,

What are the specs' on your motor? Where'd you get it?

Thanks,
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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:29 pm 
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I believe the Stew Mac motor WudWerker has is 1/2 HP, 1725 RPM. You have to match the pulley size to the the RPM needed for your finish, and buffing wheel diameter. On a belt drive setup like this it's a good idea to keep the belt a little loose. If you feed the guitar at the wrong angle the wheel will try to snatch it from your hands. A belt that will slip when loaded excessively will help with this.


Edit, motor is listed here, if I read WudWerkers post correctly. [url][http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishing_supplies/Abrasives,_polishes,_buffers/Guitar_Buffing_Arbor.html/url]

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
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I bought the motor from "Electric Motor Warehouse", the specs are as follows:

>>Quantity Item Number Description Price Extended
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>> 1 110086 .5 hp 1725RPM 56 Frame 115-230V Farm Duty $121.50 $121.50
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>> 1 145-5/8 2.75 x 5/8 Three Step Pulley Die Cast $11.78 $11.78

Note that to mount the buffing arbor the way I did, I had to take the arbor apart and flip the shaft
end for end, because I'm spinning the shaft "backwards" from how it would spin if normally mounted.
This so that the wheel nuts wouldn't be spinning in a direction to loosen them.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffing assembly
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