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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:08 pm 
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This may sound odd but this guy uses what he called a spanish slipper for a neck joint.
I'm posting the youtube link because I cannot explain it very well. At about 5:40 in the video he shows the join and dry assembles to a body

I'm really curious if anyone has done this. What are the pro's and con's of this type of assembly?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWgXqHZaw8


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:46 pm 
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It's actually around 6:40 that he actually assembles. I'm not familiar with that joint but it looks kinda cool :-)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:15 pm 
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Think neck reset...!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:39 pm 
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It looks like a version of the modified bridle joint Stefan Sobell uses. Scroll down on this page:
http://www.sobellinstruments.com/News2010/News2009/tabid/312/Default.aspx

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:00 pm 
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From his website ...........

The necks on my guitars are made from Brazilian Mahogany. My neck joint is based on the classical guitar slipper heel joint construction as I have found that this gives the best sustain and stability. In the past I've made guitars with dovetail joints and pinned mortise & tenon joints but there has been a notable lack of sustain. Some may feel that a non-removable neck maybe a drawback, however I feel that if something is built correctly, with its longevity accounted for, it should never have to be dismantled.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:26 pm 
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Pretty cool joint! Not one I've seen before. I was pondering permanent neck joints a while back in this post and came to the conclusion that I'd just have to try it and see how it goes. This looks like a nice blend between full integrated construction and the usual removable neck.

I wonder how he sets the neck angle. Maybe the slots are slightly wedged, so he can shave one side or the other to rotate it as it gets closer to fully seating? Seems like it would still be tricky to get right, since you can't directly measure the string height at bridge until it's fully down.

I think I'll still try the fully integrated style first, but this joint looks like another good one to try sometime.


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Somewhat like the Romanillos wedge joint, but installed after the box is closed, from the top. It's a good joint, but I think the Sobell version of it, with the wedges to tighten it, would be a better option, and allow more adjustment for neck angle. The guy in the video really has to have his neck angle nailed to come out right at the end, which, I suppose, is possible. On a classical, you have to have the angle right, but the slots are cut 90* to the neck top, and the variable is absorbed by the sides, where they join. Works fine when you still have the back off.

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