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 Post subject: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:18 pm 
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Would it possible to use pine for a prototype guitar. Obviously straight grained, I'm too cheap to buy a spruce top for this prototype.


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:18 pm 
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I used straight grain, quarter sawn,(but with some runout) White Pine on my last build and its my best sounding guitar yet (Torres classical). As good as good Spruce? I can't say as I've yet to build with good Spruce, but I will on my next!

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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:03 pm 
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Pine would work fine. You could also look for some close to quarter straight grained spruce dimensional lumber at your local big box store and resaw and use that.


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some cedar goes for very cheap!
rctonewoods.com


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:08 am 
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Actually, there is a whole congregation working on these:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&clien ... CBwQtgMwAA

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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
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The one well quartered White pine sample I've tested had properties that were right at the average for European spruce. I see no reason why it couldn't work.


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:37 pm 
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would pine also work for the bracing? I can get dimensional spruce big enough for bracing, but not for tops.


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:21 pm 
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There was a thread earlier showing Romanillos using four piece tops. Torres built some with more than two pieces. You could join up whatever spruce you have. It does not need to be two piece. But, as others noted, pine would also work fine.


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:47 pm 
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I have no problem with 4 piece tops, but the only spruce available where I live are 1 inch wide framing studs. I would rather not have a 15 piece top.


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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:35 pm 
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You mean like this?
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Jointing practice 1.JPG


Or like this?
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Jointing practice 2.JPG


Truthfully, I haven't had the courage to actually use either one on a Guitar... They were made up during my "Jointing practice" sessions ... You make up 2x 15 piece tops and you get a whole bunch better at making tight joints... especially when you cut all the bad joints back out and re-joint again and again and again....

Honestly -- Spruce Dimensional lumber (2x4, 2x6, etc...) makes fine bracewood... Hunt through construction dumpsters for scraps 2'+ long without knots... You can easily find a few guitars worth of "Brace wood" if you poke around... ALWAYS split out dimensional lumber braces, though....

I would strongly advise you to personally call up "Tonewood suppliers" and ask for "Student Grade" tops ... You would be amazed at how cheap they come.

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 Post subject: Re: pine top guitar
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:07 am 
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at old world tonewoods they sell grade b tops for $7, but with shipping it is still $20.


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