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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:34 pm 
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Brock Poling wrote:
I don't hear anyone condoning what happened.


I did....by several people. That's what got me into this thread.

But I've said my piece and I take your point.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Zlurgh wrote:

It's an interesting point. Propose that third point and let us see how practical you can be. :lol:


Yo, Zlurgh,

Well for examples...just go back and read any of my posts when ever the beast has reared it ugly head on this site.

But to use the stick illustration...

You get to decide which is the dirty end. Or which is the clean end. But then again all this thinking of clean vs dirty, hot and cold, good and bad, all wrapped up in morality is a crock used to justify our attachments and pre programed BS* to illusory values. Do you really think that deity gives a dam about which end of the stick is which?

Ok lets move this concept of dual thinking into more simplistic terms...night and day.

Some like the night life, others the day light. SO who is right? Who is wrong.

Simply put Zlurgh, You can't have one without the other. But since obviously one is right, lets just nuke the rest. Hmmm Simple, no?

Right

Ok final shot at this.

I have this gold coin worth more than just a few $.

One side of the coin is all good and moralistic and sunshine and lolly pops.

The other is evil bad and debase.

Now I would like to gift you this coin.

However I would never want to lay anything upon you that is evil.

So as soon as you can tell me how to separate out the evil side, I will be glad to do just that
and send you the rest of the coin ~ free. (postage and handling not included)

This point of infinite impasse in ones thinking, were extremes are finally reconciled may be viewed as that still 3rd point were pure peace, love and compassion for all life is found inside of self would you not agree?

So one of our brothers got into trouble with himself....big deal. Bottom line, we all need a little help from our friends and it helps to loose the moral crapola judgment values when dealing with them that need s help.

So to summarize, just remember this little rant the next time you mess up and could use a friend.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Zlurgh- it must feel good to be perfect :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:11 pm 
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Can't be "paroled" without serving time. That is what parole is, getting out of prison before the sentence expires.

Probation is what is done when one is convicted of a crime and then not serve any prison time. In matters such as these, first time offense that is usually the result on a plea bargain.

Also there is deferred prosecution. That is there is no final adjudication found for a certain period of time and restitution is made as a condition, the matter is dropped completely with no conviction. This and probation are very normal in insurance type cases. It works for both sides and judges like them. No one is let of hook normally for a period of 18 months to 10 years. And somewhat supervised during that time. Kind of a pre conviction probation for lack again of better term. If does this in proper manner and pays restitution, there no conviction, but not completely off hook for long period of time.

What Brock said, let the folks doing the investigation do it and then let the facts out fully.

After 40 yrs of being a cop and investigator, 20 of which was insurance fraud, I think can speak with some credibility here. Most times like in arson investigations, they turn into motivation investigations. Not unusual for someone to have legitimate problems and then do stupid and criminal activity as a result of need for money. It turns into a desperation thing. People do things that they normally wouldn't do. That said, there are people who just take advantage of others and use fraud as a money making enterprise. I have my thoughts on this particular situation, but the people who are investigating this do so with open minds and that is the way it should be.

I don't condone or agree the ends justify the means, but the proper authority will take care of that part. If someone took money based on fraud, that is a felony all of its own. Investigation could also target other family members who participate. It can be a Federal crime as well as a State issue.

Let the proper people and then authority investigate before any judgement of what is and what is not true and if there is an issue take care of it. Prejudging anything now is just that. It is taking one set of facts from another incident and going full bore into something else. The folks who I trust will look into it and determine what is true or not and then things can be dealt with on that level.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Lars Stahl wrote:
Zlurgh- it must feel good to be perfect :D .

Lars


Stop it Lars! Have some restraint already! You may be older but you're showing your immaturity by commenting like this.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Lars Stahl wrote:
Zlurgh- it must feel good to be perfect :D .

Lars



Come on now Lars,
lets be nice to one another.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Rod True wrote:
Lars Stahl wrote:
Zlurgh- it must feel good to be perfect :D .

Lars


Stop it Lars! Have some restraint already!


I have purposefully stayed out of all of this - but I must jump in and agree with Rod.

Brock requested that we dial it back. Please have some respect for the board and do so.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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None of us know the details of what brought Kevin to this place, and none of us know 100% what we would do in the most extreme circumstances. I never want to hurt anyone... but if one of my childrens lives were in danger I WOULD DO WHATEVER it takes to protect them. Its hard to think of what we would or would not do when in that place.
This forum is a great bunch of people building great instruments, lets stop fighting with each other and BUILD [:Y:]


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:53 pm 
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Brock Poling wrote:
folks ---

can we please dial back the bickering. Clearly there are differing points of view here. Maybe it is best just agree to disagree. Nobody is running for congress, we don't need to campaign that hard. ;-)

Also, please keep the religion to a minimum ok? Our forum has been well served by 3 basic rules, clean language, no religion, no politics. Here too there are strong opinions and little chance of swaying someone off of something they believe strongly in. I suggest we try to find the common ground rather than our point of diffferences.

I don't hear anyone condoning what happened, but there are varying POVs about it.

Please, let's not let this end in a big squabble. This is a very unfortunate incident and having this post go down in flames won't help the situation at all.



Well Brock

this is a reasonable request.

Unfortunately, we both know the beast is probably just starting to wake up on this issue and that it will more than likely be a long incarnation this time around. Oh well. You and Lance have no doubt seen this act before and as such know it will in time pass away.

But till then me thinks its gonna be one heck of a ride at the carnival of life and as such will enjoy its thrills and chills and spread as much light love and laughter as possible in me posts. Well maybe, but gee Brock, self restraint is not one of me virtues.

laughing6-hehe

peace and carrots

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Allrigh. Iam done. allthough I cannot see what I said that was so much more from what allready been said.

All the best Lars.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Attached is an excerpt of an email that Kevin sent me yesterday. He asked that I share with everyone what I felt was relevant. I decided to post most of the email as it was written. I have omitted only a couple of items of my own choosing (not at anyone's request) mostly for the sake of brevity, and the items were more personal in nature.

I have another update from Kevin today and I will post more from that one later.


Kevin Gallagher wrote:

Brock,

I'm so sorry that I haven't been able to respond to what has been all over the forum, but wanted to
drop you a note on a personal level in light of what's really going on.....and not going on. First, I am still in
Philadelphia and have been staying between the Fox Chase Cancer Center and the Astrazeneca Hope Lodge
across the street from there between treatment and procedure appointments. Treatment, procedures and
all the pain that I've been dealing with have had me literally tied up and unable to do so until now.

To date, I've been diagnosed with and advanced case of pancreatic cancer that involves a large tumor in
the head of my pancreas that has engulfed much of the vasculature there. I am currently under the care of
Dr. John Hoffman who is one of the chief surgeons here at Fox and his team have been busy getting me and
Paula ready for whatever treatment they will be able to try in an effort to shrink the tumor, break its grip on
the major blood vessels so that I might be a candidate for future surgery. I'm sure it would easy enough for
anyone to contact Fox Chase to see whether or not I've been admitted and have been being treated there if
they'd like and I would certainly understand if they would.

Concerning the car accident in January, Paula did in fact suffer a compression fracture to her L2 lumbar
vertebra and was in a custom fitted orthopedic back brace 24 hours a day for a full six weeks. My back pain
that seemed to escalate after the accident was directly attributed to the pancreatic trouble that I'd already
been experiencing since my hospitalization with it last June. I wasn't even x-rayed for several weeks after
the accident because the pancreatic pain was suspect. It was then that an MRI revealed the four herniated
discs that I suffered and have been treated for since. The extent of my treatment has been for too many
pain medications, some pretty aggressive chiropractic adjusting and a round of steroids that brought on the
colitis that caused the bleeding that landed me in the hospital this year when they found the pancreatic tumor.

The car accident never saw me receiving a speeding ticket, but a citation for simply failing to observe
traffic direction. We slid off of the sharp turn as a result of hitting a long patch of loose stone and gravel
coming into that turn. We found out that day from the EMT people that there was an accident just 25 feet
from the scene of our accident on the Friday preceding and another on the same turn, but on the opposite
side of the street on that Saturday while our accident occurred on that Sunday afternoon. Those four discs
have played a huge part in complicating and compounding the pain issues that I'm dealing with and being
treated for in connection with the pancreatic cancer.

[... snip]

The crux of the issue right now is that people in the community know that facts were inflated, embellished
and even fabricated concerning this insurance thing by the local paper, that is known for it as a common practice
for them.

Brock, know this , my friend, I have never....ever.....had even a misdemeanor charge leveled against me....
not once in my entire life. I've never been in trouble for anything ever. This insurance issue is much less than
what it has been made out to be by the local papers and I've never even seen the inside of a jail....except to
go in to do music and ministry for inmates that needed us to. [snip]

I do have a life threatening case of pancreatic cancer, will be starting chemotherapy treatments at 7:00
AM tomorrow as a few months of rigorous and demanding sessions begin for me and my wife is along to support
and comfort me.

My wife did break her back and I suffered four herniated discs in the car accident that was violent enough to
damage our vehicle to a point of being a total loss.

The insurance thing will pan out to show itself to be what it is, in fact, over the next few months, but I'm not
at liberty to discuss in a public venue at this time.

Please forward whatever portions of this that you see fit to forward in good judgment and in good taste. I
thought it important to at least contact you or Lance and your email address comes up first in my contact list
so you it was. Thanks for your consideration as you read this and consider how to possibly set
some minds and hearts at ease with it at the forum and in the community there that I hold very dearly as
friends and family.

All the best and sorry for the delay in getting to you,
Kevin Gallagher




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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Zlurgh- it must feel good to be perfect :D .

Lars


I dunno - ask Yngwie Malmsteen.

I'm 50 years old btw.....luv ya Lars.... 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Thank you Brock for posting this and thank you Kevin for the update! As I stated before, I'm still standing with you Bro! Enough on this one for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Gallagher
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Well, that answers the question as far as I am concerned. Kevin, if you read this, thanks for clearing it up. You have a lot to deal with and don't need to be worrying about this.

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Agreed. Thanks, Kevin for finally clearing things up and, as before this entire thread began, I hope you beat the cancer.

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I don't wanna be nice
I think it's clever to swear
Better seek some sound advice
Better look elsewhere

Your face is an obvious case
You shouldn't put it about
This is neither the time or place
To sort these matters out

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Thank you Kevin for writing this
and thank you Brock for posting it.

Well dudes, looks like we gotta go run the beast a~muck some were else.

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Kevin,

Regarding your pancreatic treatment, You MUST call Steve like your life depends on it. Before they jack you up on pain meds. They will try to keep you on a base line for a while, but it's inevitable that you will lose your capacity/will/desire to think for yourself, then you go along for the ride. That can happen ANY day. Your chances of surviving this are about 5%. Don't gamble with ANYTHING. PM me if you need his number. For the sake of your family, this is one call I would make.

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stan thomison wrote:
Let the proper people and then authority investigate before any judgement of what is and what is not true and if there is an issue take care of it. Prejudging anything now is just that. It is taking one set of facts from another incident and going full bore into something else. The folks who I trust will look into it and determine what is true or not and then things can be dealt with on that level.


X2 on this...

Neither the Doctors, nor the police fraud investigators are here to answer our questions....
Even if they were here, they couldn't legally discuss those issues here with us....

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Brock

Have you got any update from Kevin to update us ?

I sent an email to the Senior Pastors of Kevin's church but have not got any reply for days. This is not good. I had a friend who wanted to raise money to help Kevin and emailed him knowing full well that funds have been sent to him for the purchase of a car. Kevin replied still hinting that he needed a car.

My heart goes out to Kevin and Paula who purportedly have financial, marital and health challenges.

I think all of us are awaiting Sam's report. Sam is a gem of a man with a heart of gold.


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I haven't heard from him in a few days. I will send him an email and check in.

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