Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:39 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:09 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:12 pm
Posts: 6994
First name: Mike
Last Name: O'Melia
City: Huntsville
State: Alabama
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
I recently used a backstrip from LMI (http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproduc ... Backstrips, B16B, Cheveron). Really liked the color match. But after sanding board to 0.1", the whole thing simply split in half (along the centerline of the purfling). I even laminated the other side! Anybody ever have this happen? Suggestions?

Mike


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:18 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:10 pm
Posts: 2764
First name: Tom
Last Name: West
State: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Mike: Have used LMI's backstripes but not this one .I've used B120B a number of times and have not a problem.I put these in when I join the top and then after sanding to thickness I flood both sides of strip with thin CA glue. Knock on wood I have not had a problem YET....!!!
Tom

_________________
A person who has never made a mistake has never made anything!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:01 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:50 pm
Posts: 2711
Location: Victoria, BC
First name: John
Last Name: Abercrombie
Status: Amateur
Mike-
Did you inlay the backstrip or include it (sandwich) in the back glue-up?
When you say that you 'laminated the other side' - was this your cross-grain back seam reinforcement?

Can you get the seam to close for re-gluing (and more reinforcement)?

Cheers
John


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:10 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:34 am
Posts: 3081
Yup, i've had those problems with the large Washburn like strip. I cyano'd them and still had problems. I've stopped using them as part of the glue up, and now rout them in. I also have taken to glueing the inside spruce center strip in with industrial epoxy. No more problems...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:16 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:12 pm
Posts: 6994
First name: Mike
Last Name: O'Melia
City: Huntsville
State: Alabama
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Very dissapointed. I will recover the back, but will never use a premade strip that has an obvious failure mode down the center line. Only way I would use it is as an inlay.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:23 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:12 pm
Posts: 6994
First name: Mike
Last Name: O'Melia
City: Huntsville
State: Alabama
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
But I do appreciate the replies. If you look at a lot of the premade strips, many do not have a failure mode down the center. Note to self.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:30 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:49 am
Posts: 234
Location: United States
Mike, I've used at least a hundred of them and have never had a problem. After I trim the back, I usually take the scrap cutoff piece and purposly break it. Most often, the 2 halves will break at the seam of the backstrip, not the center. I think you got a bad strip.

Mike Franks
www.mjfranksguitar.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:39 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:12 pm
Posts: 6994
First name: Mike
Last Name: O'Melia
City: Huntsville
State: Alabama
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Realy? U think bad strip?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:36 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:59 pm
Posts: 2103
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Country: Romania
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
The only decoration I somewhat trust to be sandwiched contains simple wood and veneers, and I go at great lengths to ensure very good joints. And then when I plane and scrape the back thin I always make sure not to pull on the seam, but push towards it or at least parallel, if that makes sense. I think the marquetry stuff is safer if inlaid in a routed channel. I would not sandwich it.

_________________
Build log


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Michaeldc and 12 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com