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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Hey, Padma,

So....your most recent post implies that you have made a new top (or figured out an ingenious way to salvage the previous one) ...so... when you post pictures of the closed box, please be sure to explain how you solved that top problem.....okay? I'll tell you, man, there are a lot of people out here who enjoy seeing where your inspiration takes you. And I could be a cheerleader for all of them. No one will ever accuse your current design explorations of being "conventional." But, in my view, that is the beauty of your current path. Just my opinion. My way of saying: Press on. I love it!

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Ok,

the back is on.
the top is done.
me gonna install the transducers next and close here up.

see me in show and tell pic...

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the Padma wrote:
I hope to find that on line pic of a fret board that was decided by harmonic intonation and not equal temperament slots from a jig. The fret positions were all short little bits and were scattered all over the neck. Blew me away.


Something like this?
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The True Temperment Fretting system.
http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php
I would love to give one of these a strum. But I would be worried about bending notes.
Also, I wouldn't want to cut the fret slots.


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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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By all the self inflicted illusions and delusions of power and grandeur vested upon self of
being some sorta luthier,

I, the Padma,

after a 4 month retreat into my other insanities,
do here by dispense with all rights, rituals and formalities of "Officially"
opening my shop for the purpose of sawdust making,
and as such,
take up the tools of our ancient craft,
declaire the shop opened and
commencerate a
return to practicing luthierisem on this,
me "No NOthing Build"


bliss bliss bliss

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That's it for today.

Shop closed till tomorrow.



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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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Adi Spruce top 140.00
Waverly tuners $200.00
BR back & side set 600.00+
Padma's Thread priceless

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Padma's Thread priceless

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Yes it is!!!! Well said Tim!

I love this thread and it's great to see you back at it Padma!!!

It's like having something positive, interesting, and posted with good karma to tune into when ever something is new.

I have never watched carving being done but I am fascinated by what I see you do Padma and also Kent Baily too. You guys make it look easy as you turn lines into 3 dimensional carvings - very cool!


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Thanks dudes for your words of kindness.

Here be something ...

About carving...

Me always gets comments when ever me post something that was hand tooled or carved and so took it into me head to post this....It is basically the technique being employed in this build...in all me builds for that matter. Here is the secret.

"Make sure you mind is blank just before the blade makes contact"

"What?" is probably your reaction to that statement.

You see dudes, when the breathing stops...the mind stops its monkey babbling. As such you are left with a clear head....if only for a few seconds.

Its simple.

Take in a breath, think the thought of exactly what the blade in you hands is going to do. Breath out, and then as you exhale and have just about released all your breath...do the cut or two or even three cuts...but only while the lungs are empty.

Weather it be a chisel, a knife, a plane, a saw, or even sand paper...like size...it no matter.

Only cut on an exhalation. Never on inhalation.

Inhalation is a charging, movingly into tension.

Exhalation is a calming relaxing gesture.

So....
take your breath, thinking for a moment of the next cut, exhale completely and then execute the cut.

After a while you will start to notice that for a split seconds at the end of each exhalation the mind is blank.

Thats when you squeeze the trigger, make the cut, lay in the brush stroke.

This little meditative technique, if practiced will help tremendously in getting beyond all the monkies running around inside the head, playing havoc with the blade in hand.

At first it will seem that it will take forever "to get the work done"... but the breath is a very calming naturally relaxing rhythm of the body and when followed, will offer up rewarding self confidence in your work, for it will be free of unneeded thoughts and emotions. Or as Leonardo da Vincie said ....anything manifestation by the being is an indication of the inner being.

Breath in, breath out...execute.

Try it, you might likes it.


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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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Padma -

I love it - I'll give it a try. Anything to silence the monkeys! :roll:

Now, if I can just find a similar technique to deal with the monkeys that are making my job miserable....... wow7-eyes


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Still needs final clean up

thats all me got done today.


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"Take in a breath, think the thought of exactly what the blade in you hands is going to do. Breath out, and then as you exhale and have just about released all your breath...do the cut or two or even three cuts...but only while the lungs are empty." This is what I was taught when I used to target shoot. There have been studies which show that the brain produces different wave patterns (alpha waves) when you exhale, and apparently many pro golfers also use this technique as well.Padma, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try.


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Filippo Morelli wrote:
This tip could be useful for posting on forums as well. laughing6-hehe [:Y:] [:Y:] [clap] [clap] laughing6-hehe

Filippo



HAHA laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe



The Padma - Excellent posts and thread !! I like the quasi tutorial on the neck carving and carving ! your's and Kent Bailey's posts have gotten me into a side hobby of carving wood and whittling !!

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Beautiful work. This is one of the most inspiring instruments I've seen. I love the idea of just finding a lump of wood and letting it tell you what kind of instrument it wants to be, instead of always trying to find perfectly straight grained and quartered wood for a scientifically designed guitar. The instrument really looks like a tree :)

So sad about the first top though. It sounded like such a good idea using funky old piece of wood for a special build, but I guess it just wasn't meant to be. The new chocolate top is a beauty, I can't wait to see it assembled.


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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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Thanks for your comments guys....means a lot for me to hear them from you.


Ok....

Is nearing bolt on neck time.

Been playing with the bolts and nuts and thread cutters, taps an dies and various woods.

the bits of black tape is where the holes will go.


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Narrowed it down to Acorns nuts , these ones are maple

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Or Hex nuts out of walnut.

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made a tap and die from a bolt and nut...is ok...for a one or two off type of thing.
Boxwood holds real nice threads.

Maple is ok, and so is this really hard African Mahogany I got, cocobolo ~ok, but Box wood is A1. I like the "tigers eye I get from the side grain of the Mahogany on a Acorn...sorry the pic didn't work.

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Buddy loanded me his commercial thread cutter and tap its ok too ... but ya still gotta chase the thread with a tri file edge.

Both cutters are good, and much much faster to use, and just as acceptable as the box wood bolt and nut made on metal lathe.

After I get the holes drilled I think I will actually make the final bolts and nuts from box wood and stain them
a light walnut with Black African washers to play of all the red cedar...but that s tomorrow, and I just gotta a flash of brass bolts with Brass acorn nuts....go figure....but not a romantic as wooden nuts and bolts eh!

Tomorrow I make the jig to hold the body and neck on the drill press to drill the holes for me version of the "bolt on neck"


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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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I love the pics! You're having way too much fun

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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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Padma, glad you are back! I've got to say that home made tap and die set pretty much blew my mind. I thought I was pretty good at improvisation in the shop until I saw that. Too cool, man. I love discussions where all the participants inspire each other. Keep the posts coming.


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 Post subject: Re: A NO NOthing Build
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Ya dat cut em nuts and bolt up for taps been around long time.

Can even cut up an old C clamp with square threads...they work too!

Ok the saga of me NO NOthing build continues with drilling
of the holes for the wooden bolts thats gonna hold on the neck...
yup its a bolt on
laughing6-hehe

laugh dudes and enlighten up a bit!

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Not gonna trim the bolts back till after the washers are made.

Datz it, what u see is what they get, and what dey gets ain't gonna get
much betters n what you see...you see! Yes?

So me gonna hang this build up for a few days, go run amuck on something
else in the shop for a while.

blessings,
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Amazing! I like those wooden screws. It's much better to screw an instrument together than to screw it up... duh

And it's quite a bit of improvement since The Stradivarius who used to use nails instead of screws for attaching the neck to the body ;) (no joke).


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Great Padma! It's a whole new meaning to "bolt on". I was hoping you would use the acorn nuts though.

I think it's cool the way you incorperates the sides into the neck (I think that's what's going on)on some of your builds. When I first saw it I thought they were stringers that ran the length inside the instrument. I wonder how that might work?

And thanks for posting in the cartoon type format. Makes it much easier to keep up with. :D

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DannyV wrote:
Great Padma! It's a whole new meaning to "bolt on". I was hoping you would use the acorn nuts though.

Danny



Yes Acorns...

So bass player dude starts telling me of this dream he had of this here bass so me invites him up to the shop and he eyeballs it and says..."THAT'S IT!" Seems me been building his dream....Known him for 20 years...neber knew him played bass, an me an old bass player. Go figure...so the point to this babble is its pointless....um no thats not it...um oh ya ...him suggested acorns...well wood poses situation that you dont gots with metal....the acorns sorta give it a "Knob" look to it, as opposed to the "hey its bolted together with wooden nuts" look.

If me do go with Acorns ... they will have to be out of box wood as it will take a much finer thread cut, which is whats needed in the acorn approach.

The jury is still out on this creation ...in fact me think the jury has always been out on all creation I mean with everything always a changing and all.

Oh ya him also suggested (strongly) that I don't fret the sucker and well me can live with that. It was back in 1966 and me took me 1963 Fender Jazz bass and pulled the frets and yup, filled them with bondo....think it might have been the first fretless electric. Wish me had that bass now.

Oh well.


Acorns and fretless are still to be considered.


Oh and Danny, tell us about that dobro in your avitar.


Peace and carrots

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Padma my friend you certainly are a talented guy! Wow - this thread was already VERY interesting and it just got more interesting. Nuts and bolts too! Amazing!


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Yes me did carving of the neck and heal to day.

Its cedar and cedar do not take a detailed carve so me did big bold flowers.

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Padma your pictorials just keep getting better and better.

Question: When you say clean-up with files and sandpaper how long does this typically take? Is it as big a job as the carving itself to do?

Your work is amazing and I am always interested in seeing and learning more of the details so I hope that you don't mind my questions.

Thanks :)


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Hesh wrote:
Padma your pictorials just keep getting better and better.

Question: When you say clean-up with files and sandpaper how long does this typically take? Is it as big a job as the carving itself to do?

Your work is amazing and I am always interested in seeing and learning more of the details so I hope that you don't mind my questions.

Thanks :)



Well Hesh...the total carve will be about 8 hours....but me no work fast no more and that includes the layout and drawing ....and the jig to hold the neck, perhaps some honing and the occasional sharpening. The heal is mostly end grain and end grain in cedar
is tear out big time ....could have probably done it much faster with a ball bur in a dremel ...but me hates the sound of that banchie screamin away.

Regarding the Padmas Carving Tutorial
...well that was it Dudes...draw out you design, chase it with the parting chisel, use a flat bottom chisel to flatten/remove the back ground . The rest is like carving a brace...just keep removing the wood...and then go at it with some usually starting with 100 grit paper and small files if you got them. Done.

You will run into snags with the grain ... and find out pretty dang fast which way to put the blade to the wood and that all me babbleing and pics are in reality a waste of time...when the chisel hits the wood...you will know by trial and error. Of course if you like. you could always start fiddleing with the elements in the design, using many of the other chisels ...which surprisingly becomes very intuitive and easy after using the parting chisel and a flat chisel....you will immediately know why this chisel will do the cut better than that chisel and it all depend on the wood, its grain, the design and your intuitive feel for the prossess of removing wood with a blade in hand. Quite simply...get a parting chisel and use it first. All the rest will just flow out of your heart.

Best chisels for my likeing
full size ~
Henry Taylor....not cheap...but the best ....see Lee Valley catalouge.
Palm chisels ... Henry Taylor, and the Lee Valley brand but the best palms are the el cheapo sets at the discount stores and flea markets from China. They were selling as low as $10 a set...but word has gotten out and they have started repackaging and charging $ but still a good purchase. Cheap like borscht and good steel in them as well.

Peace and carrots

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really love the neck heal carving! keep it up


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Well dudes...been almost 3 years since me stopped posting to me build threads ~ don't ask why.

However me do gets request from the faithful of how they ended up and well me thinks to me self
(very dangerous thinking is) well, ok...maybe me post a few pics of how she turned out.

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If you wanna see the 8 x 10 glossies...ok go here...

http://www.luthierforum.com/index.php?/ ... ntry129381

or here...

https://www.facebook.com/padma.samchuk/ ... 442&type=3



So what me learn from this build? Simple ...me realized me really don't know Jack $hift about looferism...but if you
gots any questions, just ask.



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