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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:11 am 
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beautiful solera!


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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:58 am 
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It looks perfect! Now get in there and use that thing!

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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:39 am 
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hey Filippo

that solera looks to good to use laughing6-hehe


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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:42 am 
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Filippo,
Your a sick man. Your shop is way too neat........Really I am jealous. I just hope my guitars come out as nice as your jigs !
Nice work.
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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:59 am 
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I'm particularly interested in the great luthier designs posted on the cabinet door. Very innovative. Way ahead of the times.
Yes....the shop is WAY TOO clean.
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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:38 pm 
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Well made. I like that you can take the 2x4 off of the bottom. Makes it easier to work on the bench top.

Only thing I do differently is to make the neck extension separate and screw it on. I use shims between the neck extension and the 2x4 support bar to angle the neck extension. I've found that sometimes a slight shift in neck angle might be needed according to how the arching turned out, and I never trusted that the plywood would stay true to the set angle for many years. The first solera didi change and that's when I cut the neck extension off and added a screw on extension.

I am going in incorporate your removable 2x4 in the next one!


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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:54 pm 
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Filippo,
I truly admire folks that are neat and organized. No matter how hard I try I just can't seem to get it together in that way. It works for a while and then things slowly return to chaos. I am happier, safer and work more efficiently and better when I have things neat and organized so it is not like I don't know better. I just haven't been able to do it. I do keep my tools and machines maintained but my shop is usually a mess.
So your shop looks like a dream.
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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:03 am 
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That Solera's so nicely done you better make a lot of guitars on it!

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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:17 am 
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Nice Solera Filippo


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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:18 am 
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Great job, Filippo. You have inspired me to build a new one myself and to incorporate some of your ideas. Thanks for the great photos.

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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
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Great looking solera, Filippo! I think you mis-diagnosed my solera! My neck ramp is not separate. What you see is an erroneous saw cut. I left it because it made no difference. However, because of it, I have, more than once wondered about building a solera with an adjustable neck ramp. Seems it would be pretty simple to do, and it could be designed to be easily adjustable with a thumb screw or something like that. It would make adjustments to the geometry of the build much easier than shimming, and would give better support to the neck during the process. I had to shim my neck ramp about 1.5mm when I raised the lower bout, per the Romanillos method.

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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:31 am 
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Nice work Phillipo. The only improvement or modification that I might suggest is the inclusion of a variable neck angle wedge that would allow various negative neck angles by the use of shims and also the construction of a Thomas Humphrey-like elevated fretboard if you ever decided to do so. That would make it a totally flexible system. My next go-around on solera construction will be similar to this one.

Michael Lazar has done this with a really nice system integrated into his solera and molds.
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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:12 am 
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Filippo, you should consider adding another layer of plywood to the top of your go-bar portion of your solera. My deck had only a single 3/4" plywood top and I had some issue with "de-tensioning" of the go-bars as I added more. A second layer fixed that. My deck is larger than yours though, to fit radius dishes.

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 Post subject: Re: Solera construction
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It looks good to me, Filippo! Nice design! :D

I have not noticed any bowing or any deflection at all in the top of my solera, even with all of my bars in duty at once, gluing on a back. Now, I use straight bars, so the pressure is as spread out as the tips of the bars are. If you keep them spread, as you should, i.e., have the upper tip over the lower tip, you shouldn't have a problem. Classical size is pretty small footprint. I didn't even use good plywood - Home Depot Sandply! I only have about 30 bars though, so I'm only pushing in the 250 lb range.

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