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Well as it turns out, the endpin of a guitar can have a very significant impact on tone!

Who wants to start making and selling the Brass End Pin Tornavoz??! (or should they be of an unobtanium alloy?)

http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/82876

The market seems ripe, and it looks like there's money to be made here. Better get in before Ed Roman gets wind of this and corners the market. I'd shoot for the range of $29.95 (+S&H, of course).

Who knew.....

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Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.

I have no problem making them, David, but I wouldn't feel right cashing in on this without you profiting in some way.

How 'bout you distribute them for me. I'll give you the first 10,000 for $20.00 a pop.

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-Clint Beacock

Sounds great - the real money all comes from the shipping and handling anyway!

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Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.

David: I suggest selling your truly revolutionary product with a (wait, there's more) Green Marking Pen.

Similar to the effect when marking the outside of a CD with ink from a green marking pen, I am confident that painting a guitar's binding with a green marker will make a noticeable improvement in frequency response, with cleaner highs, tighter bass and never any buzzes when playing the elusive F barre chord. Furthermore, a lesser known effect of using the green marker is a reduction in halitosis symptoms for the player, and a statistically significant reduction in yeast infections in female listeners.

True story.

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"Building guitars looks hard, but it's actually much harder than it looks." Tom Buck

You used to see, on fiddles, a brass end pin with a pitch-pipe it it. Amazing thing.

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I think most Martin owners hear what they want to hear not what actually is there I have seen some strange things from these guys. He probably changed the strings at the same time and credits it all to the end pin. Even the brass bridge pins don't make sense to me as we strive for lighter tops and bridges then add a whole lot of weight with the brass.

I am sure many will dispute my statements above, feel free to educate me if there is any data to prove me wrong.

Fred

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Fred Tellier
http://www.fetellierguitars.com
Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/FE-Tellier-Guitars/163451547003866

Well he said "I had my wife listen to the guitar in both modes without knowing which was which and she could reliably tell me when the endpin was in and when it was not."

I guess if he knew as the player when the pin was in that could skew the results but what's the point in making fun of this person behind his back?

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Jeremy Douglas

A really weird thing I've noticed about "that forum" is that there is a lot of generalizing and lumping together regarding models.

I don't really get a discussion about what model sounds "better" than another model. I'd rather play individual guitars because they all vary, and some of them stand out.

I once had the chance to play five different brand new OM-18's and they were all different.

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"...you have to get over your strict adherence to your largely imagined notion of absolute perfection..."

Please do not say anything critical about that site, or the folks there. They are "our" people, get to know them, they love us, we need them. They listen to guitars more closely than we do. A nicer bunch you will never find. Oh, a troll or two will pass by from time to time, but they'll throw em out faster than most guitar sites. It says "Martin" on the sign, but it is about good guitars, of every kind. They love luthiers. They are the "weenies"

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When you go to market these, the slogan could be "it improves your sound in ways you can only imagine!"

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Jordan Aceto
Ithaca, NY

You are right, David N. We should be nice. But I remember well the raves of "audiophiles" that would put three M&Ms, randomly placed, on their speaker cabinets to quell the minute and errant vibrations that disturbed their imaging and speaker cables that were made of oxygen free copper. At some point, good sense has to take over.

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"Building guitars looks hard, but it's actually much harder than it looks." Tom Buck

Instead of super trick double throwdown secret alloy end pins why don't we design, build and market a stethoscope that fits in a tapered end pin hole. If I was any good with photoshop I'd post a picture of one.

Side note. I don't visit "that" forum alot but I've got some friends there. They're great people, and they do have a sense of humor. I believe they'd chuckle at this thread.

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I didn't mean to say it, but I meant what I said.
http://www.brackettinstruments.com/

they can also save your marriage, just buy two, .....one for each ear! Jody

The people at that forum poked a lot of fun at the person that made the claim about the brass end pins, as well.

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"...you have to get over your strict adherence to your largely imagined notion of absolute perfection..."

Here are some more fine products, i know that most martin guys are not hi fi geeks, but they should at least know what they are missing. http://www.nathanmarciniak.com/elemental/

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Jordan Aceto
Ithaca, NY

I regularly use diffusorboflectors in my work. It is always good to know where the tone is coming from.

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Burton
http://www.legeytinstruments.com
Brookline, MA.

I've never experimented with the effects of small holes in guitar bodies, but this may interest some of you. In one of my other lives, I'm a percussionist, specializing in hand drums - congas, djembe, etc. Drums like these are barrel, goblet, or cone-shaped, with an open bottom - the sound hole - and they have a bass sound that is essentially the resonance of the air inside drum's shell. If you put even a very tiny hole in the side of the drum (e.g. if you remove a screw from a piece of hardware on a conga, thereby opening up a small hole through the shell wall), that resonance is DRASTICALLY altered. It goes WAY up in pitch and is dramatically weakened as well.

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Todd Rose
Ithaca, NY

https://www.dreamingrosesecobnb.com/todds-art-music

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