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I HATE sanding drywall.......

I'm working on slicing up some of my private not for sale stash.. Some flitch matched Back, Top and side sets I've been aging for over a year. On the note of aging wood, I found the best way to stop yourself from getting excited about your new zoot and diving into it.. I lost it. I intended to let it age for 6 months before slicing so I knew I better hide it pretty good (a dry 4foot long 10x2 of 5A maple doesn't stand much of a chance in a tonewood shop ). It got packed away by someone and ended up in the upstairs of the barn under a pile of furniture wood where it remained until last week

I'll throw up some photos if I get a chance to take some tommorow..

Other than that I've got to do a little work on a friends car, go get a little paintball in, maybe run a little cedar if I'm feeling bored, and eat as much pumpkin pie as I can by monday night.. I love pumpkin pie almost as much as I love the 3 day weekend at Thanksgiving

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I've got two L-00 style guitars going right now. The first is a ful size, WRC & EIR, short scale. It's ready to have a bridge installed, then strung up. The second is a WRC over Ribbon Sapele, 12-fret parlor guitar, based on the full-sized L-00. It's at the beginning of the finishing stage. The ribbon sapele really popped when I pore filled it!

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Ken Mitchell
Durham, NC

Frank, that's really great, your son building his own violin! I hope to be building a guitar with my daughter next year.

Nice looking L-00, Ken!

I'm building an L-00 at the moment, 14 fret from Mark Swanson's plans, with a cutaway and sound port. Lutz and Honduras mahogany. Neck is about done, except for gluing on the fb and finish sanding. The top bracing is fighting me every step of the way on this one. I have some old cabinets from a salvage sale that I've been wanting to put up since early summer, so I took a few days off to put them up and clean up/re-organize the shop.

Getting down to the 20s at night, so it's time to get the propane tank filled.

Pat

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http://www.patfosterguitars.com

i feel your pain, it was the most boring aspect of building my house. just remember that your drywall don't need to be in the 0.002" tolerance range .

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Frank

Frank - You and I know that you don't need to sand to that tolerance.....But, remember that this is Hesh we are speaking about!!

Hesh, how are you handling this? All that dust!!!! Doesn't it get into everything? BTW, I am having great pangs of SE syndrome! (Shop Envy) Your basement looks simply fabulous!

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Steve Walden
Aspiring Builder,
Bartlesville, OK

It`s great to see future Master Luthiers.And Hesh I apologize for not inhaling all that dry wall dust with you.HA HA.Anyway ,not on the bench but hanging from the ceiling.A myrtle cedar SJ jumbo,thanks Michael ,with a 3 Ring Brazillian Rosette,Thanks to you Hesh and your generosity.I hope you can get back to building soon. James

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James W Bolan
Nashville Tennessee

Filippo my friend sorry for the high-jack. I just want to answer Steve, Frank, and Skin:

Guys I have been sanding the walls of the main shop all morning with 120 and man what a mess.........

Skin your advice to let 90% of it fall to the floor and gently sweep it up and get rid of it outside is excellent advice and works great - Thanks!

I am very glad that I installed a 100 CFM in the ceiling of my shop because it takes a lot of the airborne stuff outside and I can see that my lawn in that area looks like a powdered donut.......

So far I have actually enjoyed the shop building a great deal and plan to continue and finish the entire basement but man the dry wall sanding is awful in all respects.......

Thanks for asking guys!

Filippo again sorry for the high-jack, I'll go away now.......

on my bench right now...

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John Mayes
http://www.mayesluthier.com

After sanding back to bare wood a month ago after a debacle with brushed on Behlen's Rock Hard,
I've got the latest OM pore filled and have completed the first few sessions of french polishing.

It's taking me longer to do the finishing on this one that it did to build it. .... Always a new learning experience....

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Peter

debacle
1: a tumultuous breakup of ice in a river2: a violent disruption (as of an army) : rout3 a: a great disaster b: a complete failure : fiasco

I had to look it up, but it sounds like you had a rough time with the Rock Hard, yes? What exactly happened, I hope there wasn't a violent disruption (as of an army), or...?

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Rian Gitar og Mandolin

I glued in the linings on #4. It will be an SJ with black walnut sides / back and ??? top. I'm still trying to make up my mind whether to use Lutz spruce or WRC.



Peter, I'm interested in your Rockhard story. I was considering using it on both #3 and #4.

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Arnt, Wayne,

My first experience with brushing Rockhard was definitely not a good one. I followed Alan Carruth's directions from an earlier thread and thinned it 20% with their proprietary solvent and then added another 5% of acetone to get it to bite. The first three coats didn't flow as well as I had hoped and even though I had cleaned the brush thoroughly with solvent and later washed it with soap and water, a lot of sand was left in the finish.

The varnish in the can skinned over even though I had filled it with marbles the way that Alan had recommended.

I gently level sanded with 220 after the second coat and everything appeared to be going fine. On the fourth coat disaster struck...... the varnish kept rolling up behind my brush strokes and the more I loaded the brush to even the flow, the worse it got.

After deciding not to go any further I reluctantly took some acetone and wiped the guitar body down and by that time it looked like a plowed field...

I let it dry for two days and then began to sand it back to level the finish..... Witness lines began to appear looking like a topographic map of the rocky mountains... The more I sanded, the worse the witness lines became (which I assume were the boundary lines of hardness between the multiple coats) and after looking closely I didn't see any way to cover the witness lines and save the finish.

So, with great disappointment I decided that the only way to save the guitar was to sand it back to bare wood and start over. The heat generated by the extensive sanding with my ROS took all of the Z-Poxy pore filler with it so I even had to do that over again.

I am now french polishing and am not at the mercy of a brush and somebody else's varnish....

I am reluctant to try the Rockhard again... if I do I will certainly try to spray it rather than brush....

As Howard Klepper's closing line states.... "I don't mind making mistakes. I just don't want to make the same ones over again...."

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Peter