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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:39 pm 
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But Howard, that's the way Martin does it. So it must be good!

Regardless, I got the pattern to close up and it rings like a gong. Here's where it all ended up.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:07 pm 
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I look forward to hearing about how that sounds when it's done.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:12 pm 
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why angle the finger braces (as in your original pic)? Though relatively new I would tend to trust the lower brace method of Martin guitars and leave it at that. Why re-invent the wheel? Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:01 pm 
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What is the ring frequency? That is some extreme lower X carving.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:55 pm 
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She rings at 248hz
Right smack dab in the middle of my target zone.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:32 pm 
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Thanks for these tips!

Blanchard wrote:
Dave Livermore wrote:
..... Trouble with that build was it had asymmetrical (traditionaly lower legs) bracing which made closing the ring on chladni tests a real bear.


Dave

Imagine a line joining the points where the lower X-brace arms intersect the edge of the top. Any bracing below that line will tend to open the ring+ near the finger braces. If the bracing is to the right of center, the ring+ will open on the left side. With a typical Martin style bracing pattern, the lower ends of both tone bars extend below the line on the bass side and usually cause the ring+ to open on the treble side. The lower brace is especially influential. If you taper the lower end of that brace off, the ring+ will close a lot easier. Leaving a scallop peak on the lower end of the lower brace will cause serious problems with the ring+.

On my guitars, I solved all this by running the tone bars horizontally, straight across the grain. One is behind the bridge plate and the other connects the lower ends of the X braces. Yes, my bracing looks a lot like the Larrivee pattern.

The double X has the potential to open the ring+ on both sides unless you you taper off the lower ends of the braces significantly. Otherwise I think it is a good pattern. Al Carruth has built some great sounding guitars with it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:41 pm 
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That single tip was what made it all happen.
I had given up, torn all the equipment from the shop, re-read that post, set everything back up and tried shaving everything below that imaginary point, and voila, the ring was closed. Very cool tip.


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