Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Wed Apr 30, 2025 9:36 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:55 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2989
Location: United States
Strung up my first falcate braced guitar the other day. I've been using Trevor's methods on my fan braced classical guitars with good results so I thought I really owed it myself to try a falcate braced steel string, glad I did. It sounds wonderful! If you've been wanting to try one I would certainly recommend it.
the frequencies Are;
Air (T1,1): 90
Main top (T1,2): 170
Coupled back (T1,3): 213
Attachment:
jon g braced top small.jpg

Attachment:
IMG_8819 small 2.JPG


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com


Last edited by Jim Watts on Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.


These users thanked the author Jim Watts for the post (total 5): Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:27 pm) • bcombs510 (Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:10 pm) • Trevor Gore (Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:05 pm) • Durero (Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:48 pm) • Michaeldc (Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:09 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:05 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7461
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Great numbers!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:06 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:45 pm
Posts: 1481
First name: Trevor
Last Name: Gore
City: Sydney
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Nice work, Jim!

_________________
Trevor Gore, Luthier. Australian hand made acoustic guitars, classical guitars; custom guitar design and build; guitar design instruction.

http://www.goreguitars.com.au



These users thanked the author Trevor Gore for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:27 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:42 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:21 pm
Posts: 3420
Location: Alexandria MN
I really like that. What are the woods and finish?

_________________
It's not what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you do know that's wrong.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:37 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:42 pm
Posts: 1709
First name: John
Last Name: Parchem
City: Seattle
State: Wa
Zip/Postal Code: 98177
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Wow! Nice work. The top bracing looks pretty clean. I generally make more of as mess,

_________________
http://www.Harvestmoonguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:06 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2989
Location: United States
Thanks guys.
The woods are Lutz spruce for the top paired with Indian Rosewood back and sides and binding. Spalted Maple for the rosette and Indian Rosewood for the pinless bridge.
The finish is just Mohawk instrument lacquer. I sealed the wood with shellac and used Solarez uv cured filler then another coat of shellac to isolate it from the lacquer. I've experimented with it in the past, but this is the first instrument.
John, it's certainly a challenge keeping the top tidy.

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com



These users thanked the author Jim Watts for the post: Michaeldc (Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:09 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:38 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5553
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Nice. Did you use Trevor's radial back bracing?

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.



These users thanked the author Colin North for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:28 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:57 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2989
Location: United States
I did use Trevor’s radial back bracing. I tried to follow the book pretty closely with the exception of the body shape and painless bridge.

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com



These users thanked the author Jim Watts for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:28 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:29 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:46 pm
Posts: 540
First name: Mark
Last Name: McLean
City: Sydney
State: New South Wales
Zip/Postal Code: 2145
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Great looking guitar. Nice work Jim.
I notice you went with a pinless bridge, which bypasses that slightly tricky aspect of the falcate design where you need to place the primary braces carefully between the bridge pins. I would be interested to know what you and Trevor think about pinned versus pinless bridges with falcate braced soundboards?



These users thanked the author Mark Mc for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:29 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:02 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2989
Location: United States
Well, I’m not sure it matters. I’ve built steel strings using both pinned and pinless (I noticed I said painless above! Maybe so!) and haven’t noticed a difference that I can definitely attribute to the bridge. But it’s probably a hill to die on for some.
I have another falcate behind this one that uses a pinned bridge, the box is together now and the pinless bridge certainly takes some stress out of it.
It would be interesting to hear Trevor’s thoughts on it as I sure he must of considered it at some time.

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com



These users thanked the author Jim Watts for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:29 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:39 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7461
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Do we get a demo?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:38 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:45 pm
Posts: 1481
First name: Trevor
Last Name: Gore
City: Sydney
Country: Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Jim Watts wrote:
It would be interesting to hear Trevor’s thoughts on it as I sure he must of considered it at some time.


From the guitar function point of view, I don't think it matters, either. You still have to design to avoid the common failure modes, in particular the top peeling off the back edge of the bridge; so a bridge plate is still required to soften the stress concentration. For the builder, I think the pinned bridge is easier to use, because it is handy to be able to "pull the plugs" and lose the strings when setting up the saddle, etc.. It's also handy to be able to change the bridge pin materials for ones with different density to tune the T(1,1)2 mode. For the player, it's probably neither here nor there.

And seeing as Ed asked...

meddlingfool wrote:
Do we get a demo?


Not Jim's instrument (though I hope Jim is able to oblige), but those wishing for an appreciation of the falcate sound might like to listen to this, courtesy of Miroslav Tadic and Pacific Rim Tonewoods.

More falcate sounds and videos here.

And once again, thanks to Jim for showing us his beautiful guitar.

_________________
Trevor Gore, Luthier. Australian hand made acoustic guitars, classical guitars; custom guitar design and build; guitar design instruction.

http://www.goreguitars.com.au



These users thanked the author Trevor Gore for the post (total 3): Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:31 pm) • Durero (Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:42 pm) • SteveSmith (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:50 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:56 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2989
Location: United States
meddlingfool wrote:
Do we get a demo?

Fortunately for you I'm not really set up to do that and the guitar is being picked up tomorrow.
That is something I'd like to able to do though. Maybe on a future guitar.

Thanks for the comments on the bridges Trevor and the links to your fine sounding guitars!

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com



These users thanked the author Jim Watts for the post: Kbore (Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:31 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 29 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com