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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:22 am 
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Micah, I think a sweepable tone generator would be handy for Chladni testing. Also, a color-graduated, plate thickness plotting function would be very cool. Also, I think just a simple, cleanly laid out time-study spreadsheet would be nice. Every time I try to do a time-study, I lose track and motivation by the time I get to neck carving. Still don't really know how long this endeavor takes me...


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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:45 pm 
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Trevor Gore wrote:
john calkin wrote:
Its the craft part you have to work at, the getting clean results.

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Getting the craft part right is the easy bit.

Last time I was at Healdsburg, just about all the guitars there were finely crafted; tight joints, neat binding, well set up, VERY shiny, heaps of bling, etc, etc. Most of them sounded little better than what you can buy in the main street of Anytown.

There's a reason for that. Very few people can explain how to make a guitar sound right, and have any sort of logic or science behind the explanation, whilst endless numbers of people can explain how to make one look right and show people how to do it.


Disagree. I was happy with the way my guitars sounded right from the start. It was the fit and finish that took years to get right. Science hasn't improved guitars one iota. First you will have to change what people expect to hear. You should work with synthetics, where things are quantifiable. But I really do wish you success. Guitars just don't seem that mysterious to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:24 pm 
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john calkin wrote:
Disagree.

No worries, John.

Happy to agree to disagree. There was no way I was ever going to convince everyone!

john calkin wrote:
Science hasn't improved guitars one iota.

I wouldn't want to go back to gut strings as the only available choice.
john calkin wrote:
First you will have to change what people expect to hear.

Well, that's not an absolute requirement. For example, most acoustic guitars don't play the equally tempered scale particularly accurately. Get it to play more accurately in tune and most people like that. They get what they expected rather than frustration. I use quite a bit of science to get that to happen, likely not the only way, but repeatable and communicable.
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You should work with synthetics, where things are quantifiable.

No more quantifiable than using natural materials. Maybe less variable.
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But I really do wish you success.

Thank you. Genuinely. People like Al Carruth and I have been pushing the "science" barrow for a good while now. Sometimes it feels rather lonely, but I think we're making progress.
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Guitars just don't seem that mysterious to me.

If guitars didn't still have some mystery left for me, I don't think I'd still be building.

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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:37 pm 
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I think you might prefer a lab to a work bench, but that's fine. I don't own or want a smart phone or a tablet, though I was offered the gift of one. Neither would enhance my life. If I had put in 40 years and felt that guitars still baffled me I'd be disappointed. We're only at philosophical odds, and I only dropped into this thread out of curiosity, not to give you a hard time. I truly hope you nail it down. If you do, I want to live long enough to play your guitars. Be well.


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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:27 am 
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You have my attention...sounds good.


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 Post subject: Re: Luthier app anyone?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:51 am 
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What's going on here? Don't you guys know that if you disagree with each other that you should slug it out here in public for our entertainment? I want my money back.



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