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Ok...me been listening to all the suggestions and advise of the brotheren
all good advise it is....


Non the less, and with all due respects to them...


Just do it!

and then you know,

and nobody but nobody gonna take that knowing away from you.

You hearing the words me laying down on you duders? Right!


blessings
Padma

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Arrrrrrrr...we've all herd yu, matey. No need tu continue repeating yerself.

Well yes, there is lots of that on the first try at things.
"...don't know what I'm doing.... what if I screw it up ... is there some trick I should know about??"
Makes every step take 3 times longer than it should. It's almost worthwhile consigning the first one to the trash heap before you even begin it ... less worries about just getting on with it and learning what worked & what needed more research to find "a better way"

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Dave
Milton, ON

I agree Padma , Simple fact is there are gonna be and and . But just do it also brings ALOT of And

I have learned alot just by doing , and I change my approach everytime , However that doesnt mean what I did was wrong it was simply best way I had til somthing better came along .

Ask Questions , YES , But trust your Gut Too

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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Ummm ya Dave


das the problem as we near the nexus...ya know the crossing over that only occurs approximate every 26,000 year. Yup we is faced with the fear and worry..."what is best?"

Ok. By whos measuring stick do you conclude " what is best" ...your experience or the babble of what the massess asses has to say.. folow them...you buying the pprogeram...
experiment and you know inside yourself and nobody gonna steal that from you! YOu hearing me dudes!

Dave, me pos it to you that you brought our collective thinking all to the surface with...


"don't know...
what if...
some trick...
3 times longer...
trash heap before your begin"


"gessus christos" ...& no offense Dave ~ and nothing personally, but who hell programed you dude with all this worry and B.S.? Hmmm....?

May me most humbly suggest to you dudes...that if
...you wanna be a loofier???... loose the friggen programing and just do it... then you gonna know... and no body know how gonna change that knowing!

Duh! Right!



Blessings
Padma


P>S No disrespects to Dave Stewart , him's highly respected loofier of A1 caliber.

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Ummm Wud,

you know, your one of the few that has enough balls to go against the grain, and without fear, do what convention in this craft says be a NO NO!...Not only that you can laugh at it when it back fires. As such. me gotta hands it to you, ...me don't know who is more full of it ... you or me... but as log as you B.S. works for you... well dats ok buy me...



Ummm ...Duh rest of you dudes grocking dis?


blessings

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UMMMMMMMMMMMM I would say its a tie , but you been shovelin it a few more yrs than Me Ole Friend !!

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

To grock and to not do is not to grock.

Capice?

Mike

I just bought a $2000 set of Brazilian Rosewood back and sides. I should just do it, right?

Good point Initial point Padma...
Great replies Dave & Wud
Here is a great place to get quotes to impress fellow luthiers
http://www.brainyquote.com/ it makes for such a usefull discussion.

Sure....but some spirits too free eternally seek the next cloud...

....and their bodies never get good at anything.



They won't try to take it because it won't be worth much. Nobody wanted Thomas Edison's first 1999 burned out light bulbs either.

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StuMusic

Are Todd 'n Filippo referring to Robert Heinlein?

TANSTAAFL...

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If your a newbie and spent $2000 on back and sides , you got bigger worries than " Just do it "




I have some 1999 burned out bulbs too

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

hmmmmmmmmmmm not sure if your being sincere or sarcastic?

But then again , I dont care .

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

This I believe .



Momma used to say , are ya making wine or just stomppin around in the basket boy ?



( The following DOES NOT REFLECT on Fillippo or anyone else here , it is SIMPLY an Observation ! )

I dont want anyone to think that I am dissing Knowledge or searching for better ways to do stuff , but at the same time , hands on experience is JUST as Vital if not MORE SO . I went to college , had a prof. who was one of the most Intellegent people ive ever met , but he couldnt find his own butt in the dark with a road map and flashlite .

Why , because all he ever did was study to be smarter , he never made Practical application , he didnt " JUST DO IT !

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

Hey, we're all "just doing it" one way or another, right?
Fast, slow, worried, don't care.......
Coming from the "don't care" spot,
since coming to this forum,
I do care a lot more about my work, so....
Take in the info and process it.

Yep, Heinlein's early work and juveniles are the best. Read him a lot growing up, a big influence on my beliefs in learning how to do as many things in this world as I could.

I think it's "grok", picky builder that I am!

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While there is certainly something to be said for actual hands on experience, if that were the only thing that were important there would be no reason to have a forum like this one. Posing a question to the group and getting responses from others sharing their experiences on the topic is of great value, especially to someone relatively new to lutherie. Answers like “just do it” and “all spruces are the same” are of little or no value to someone trying to learn from others’ experiences and knowledge or trying to feel confident in a wood choice they’ve made.

Additionally, when someone asks a question here, and others share their experiences and opinions, that information is available to everyone who reads the forum or searches for information on a topic. I would find it disappointing to search for info on African Blackwood as a bridge material, for example, and only be able to find comments like “just do it” or “you’ll only know if you try it yourself”.

For my own purposes, I have adopted the motto: "Just do it 5 minutes a day."

As an amateur, it's been hard to create the time and focus to build. I used to tell myself that I couldn't go down into the shop unless I had 2 or 3 hours of uninterrupted time, when I could really concentrate. Then days or weeks would go by and I'd lose momentum. The reality is that I have a lot of family, work, and community responsibilities and not as much time to build as I wish I had.

Some time ago I read a suggestion on this forum to build for at least 5 minutes a day, adopted it, and it's turned things around. I usually end up working for much longer than 5 minutes, but even if I work just a few minutes, I keep up momentum. Through practice I've trained myself to concentrate in short periods if necessary.

It's always fun to read forums, but when I'm not actively building it truly is mostly "Blah blah blah" for me because I'm not really retaining the information--it's just thoughts swirling. But--for example--when I'm sanding, reading forum comments about sanding really sinks in.

I guess what I'm saying is that there needs to be a balance of doing and talking or the words don't mean much. But I do really appreciate the knowledge people share, especially step by step descriptions with pictures, such as those posted by the Padma and the Todd.

Re Heinlein: I agree about the juveniles holding up. My favorite is _The Star Beast_. The gender roles are perhaps antique, but the insights into relations between races and cultures are at least as pertinent in 2011 as they were in 1954.

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Tim Allen
"Never hurry, never rest."

Yo, Charlie,

me started building when me was 16

there were no books.
no loofier schools.
no mentors.

learned me self how to sharpen a blade
kick over a table saw
joint a board
bend wood and
do finishes.

Thats right..."Me just did it"

If some one don't know "how to" this that or the other...me answer them straight up. Simple!

For an adult who needs to be held by the hand cuz they be afraid of trashing a piece of wood or ruining the finish...well, me suggest they take up stamp collecting or sumpthin less stressful.

Me has mentored a lotta wood butchers in me life. Those that ran on fear were out the door so fast, the vacuum would suck the sawdust right out of the shop with them.


blessings
Padma

PS: Oh ya, Charlie, me still has some of that Mongolian spruce from the Gobie dessert if your interested.

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Tim, I work the exact same way and for the same reasons. I try not to get too frustrated when I can't get in a good block of time. Sometimes I'm happy to just peek into the shop. Other times I come out with a sore back and a satisfied look on my face.

Now I have to go out and get Stranger in a Strange Land. Been a long time since I read that one.

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Hutch

Get the heck off the couch and go build a guitar!!!!

How's the carved top jazz guitar coming Padma?

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Yo, Terence

Don't be holding your breath none...me just did a dry run for gluing on the back, and well then unexpected house guest from France showed up and ...and ...and then there are all the burnouts from the Shambhala Rave and and and this week me gotta do the marzipan and royal icing on a 3 teared wedding cake...and well making all them royal icing roses ain't no piece of cake

Then there is the wedding,
So next week maybe....


blessings

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When I got the Rosewood I just did it. Did I do something wrong? I thought I was supposed to just do it and now you're telling me I've got big worries.

I'm confused.