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 Post subject: deft finishes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:05 am 
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I used rattle-can Deft to do my first finish topcoats (sealed and pore-filled with epoxy) without training wheels, and I thought it worked out very nicely. I read comments critical of the material. Why? That finish is now two years old and looks brand new and unblemished, undinged, undented, un-anything. What's not to like, and what am I missing?

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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:47 am 
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A few thin coats of rattle can Deft over an epoxy base might work fine.
We used brush on Deft in 7th grade shop class. It made a relatively soft "milky"covering on the unglamorous black willow our book ends were made from. That was 50 years ago. Deft, like many companies has come out with a waterborne finish, which I have never used. When people comment on a material it may be a reflection of their long past experience with an entirely different product by the same "name".
Generally, the harder the finish, the higher the polish it will take. The Deft I used was "soft".


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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:33 am 
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there are better finishes out there.
Deft in a furniture finish and I admit I used it in my early days. I found it was prone to checking.
Behlen and mowhawk make rattle can finishes that are superior to Deft.

I suggest for best results use the recommended sealers the finish companies suggest. It is more about chemistry and adhesion. I found that CA and Shellac can fail as a sealer. Used CA on 2 guitar and had adhesion issues using vinyl no issues since

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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
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I hate the stuff. It never dries hard.

It only takes one bad experience to turn me off to products for life. Maybe they have reformulated it. But I will not be burned twice.


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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:12 am 
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Barry Daniels wrote:
I hate the stuff. It never dries hard.

It only takes one bad experience to turn me off to products for life. Maybe they have reformulated it. But I will not be burned twice.

I have the same experience, it never got hard.

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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
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...same here. Not a fan...

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I've used the aerosol can deft for refinishing a headstock in the past and it seemed fine. I have also used their brushing lacquer which looked great on a table I built, but had a real problem staying soft when exposed to other plastic items. I left a rubber eraser on the table top and came back a couple weeks later to find it melted into the finish. Needles to say their brushing lacquer is on my do not use list.

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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
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used the deft brush laquer 27 years ago , just an ok finish IMHO


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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
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Deft is great for furniture and cabinetry but instruments. its uber soft. it does get rock hard even over time.

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I'm not a fan either. I finished some chairs with Deft some years ago, before they came out with the spray. The chairs were dining room chairs, and seemed fine, until one day my wife had a tea or something, and a friend of hers was wearing a sweater that she had had dry cleaned. Apparently the chemical left in the sweater dissolved the finish and it stayed on her sweater. Not a good experience! When this happened the finish was several years old, so should have been dry enough to use! Therefore, I wouldn't even recommend it for furniture.

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 Post subject: Re: deft finishes
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Some people's body chemistry simply doesn't work with certain finishes. If I sit in a varnished chair for a few minutes the varnish will be on the back of my shirt and backside of my pants after I peal the chair off. That's one of the reason's that I can't use French Polish (same reaction).


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