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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:12 pm 
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I guess this question should go in the Fixtures Forum, but I think this forum is read by more people.
I am hoping to build a sturdy workbench soon. Hardwood choices at Home Despot are Poplar, Birch and Alder in order of increasing cost. They also have oak, but I haven't heard of anyone using an oak bench.
Any suggestions or preferences? Any cautions in working with any particular wood?

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My first choice would be oak, but I'd probably go for poplar due to price considerations.

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Beth, I would suggest looking for wood at a local lumber yard instead of HomeDepot. They are usually much less expensive, and if you have access to a thickness planer, rough lumber is about half the price of dressed. Brown maple would make a nice benchtop. It is usually not graded like white maple so you can sometimes get pieces with curly grain and birdseye. You could set those good ones aside for necks or B&S sets!

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Pretty much any wood will do for the frame. I built mine out of Pine near on 30 years ago. I made certain of selecting fairly clear straight(ish) grained stock. It has a double layer of 18 mm Birch Ply top. When the Top gets bad I just flip the board over. I've just flipped to surface No. 3. I think it will see me out and longer. Whilst a hardwood might be nice one made from softwood is perfectly adequate. If I was doing it again I'd probably buy recycled softwood, cut up from beams that were used in old factories. Some of that stuff is straight fine grained. very Reddish in colour and smells great when sawn! It's probably Scots Pine. Not that a bench really needs that type of stuff but it's much better than the fast grown stuff.


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Just about any hardwood will do.

Me built a variation of this...
from old doug fir.

only me angles the legs.
http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/56999/build-a-hybrid-roubo-workbench

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Ya that traditional European wooden tail vise be a real hassle to make and just not worth the effort for a loofer. Had them, don't suggest them for our kinda work.

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Before you commit to anything, check Craigslist or Kijiji for things like maple from bowling alleys and wooden countertops. You can sometimes get things that are already glued up or can be laminated with way less trouble than starting from scratch.

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Here is the one I made and posted a few years ago. Double layer mdf with birch caps and vices. I am not worried about doing anything to it cause it's just mdf, which is flat and stable!

Just another option for you.

http://luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=20372&p=284042&hilit=work+bench#p284042

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I have had great performance out of a few tables made out of plywood using a torsion box design. Very stiff and sturdy. There is a good video on the wood whisperer site for info on how to build. I imagine you could top with hardwood for a more dense surface that could be sanded to freshen up.



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Slap a solid core door on top of a 2x4 frame.Bolt on a vise.Easy and cheap.Then go ahead and wreck it .Easy as pie to replace.I`ve tried to wreck mine for about 10 years.It`s still in good shape.1 thing I would suggest is not to build it up against a wall.I like to be able to work from both sides and both ends.Although it takes more shop space .All my tools are to the right of my bench for easy access for a righty.

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Todd Stock wrote:
There is nothing in the way of vises half so elegant as a wooden shoulder vise, but there are easier ways to hold guitar-sized work that don't require hand-cutting perfect through and half-blind dovetails in 16/4 stock. Heck, the Brits don't even bother with a tail or end vise...hang a metal vise on the face and you've got yourself a traditional British bench.



Yeah, I admit that part of the reason I wanted to build a thick, nice bench is that I covet the Tail vise. However, after looking at some tail vise building blogs I've decided that it is not worth the time. I have the HF workbench, which is not quite as large a surface as I'd like. So...after reading all of your thoughts on this, I've decided to build a functional bench ala Filippo, of the size I want and get back to lutherie as fast as possible. Instead of spending the $ on hardwood, I'll buy the SM guitar repair vise and mount it like Todd has, on an end platform.

Thanks for all the input Everyone!!!


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Hey, Beth,
Vises, hold fasts and other fixtures can be fashioned for almost any bench. Just don't make your top so fancy that you are reluctant to mar it or stain it. If your bench is sturdy and it fits you, it will be fine. My bench doesn't wobble or rack from side to side. It's all built from common construction lumber. The top is a layer of six 2x4s laid edge to edge with a disposable layer of 1/4" hardboard screwed down over it. It wouldn't suit a lot of people, but it suits me and it's a great tool. My point is simply that you can successfully use almost any wood or wood product that is available.
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as others have said, why expensive and rare "hardwood" for a bench? why not fir or pine frame, and a plywood top, faced with sheet metal if you must have extreme durability/liquid resistance.....if all you are doing is making instruments, you probably won't wear out a thoughtfully made "softwood" bench in this lifetime.


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Went the cheap as possible route to bench up some 5 m around the shop. Used cheap construction grade 3x2 for legs and supporting frame and then found 1'' thick solid beech kitchen Worksop for £80 for 3m x 0.65m - no oils of finish as clean up now and then with sandpaper ;-)


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Six 2x4s and three 2x12s, a box of 2 1/2 in screws and you got a good sturdy 96 x 34.5 inch wide work bench. Fast, solid, cheap like borsch, dead simple.

What more do you need other than maybe a sheet G1S ply for a dead flat surface and you good to go.

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In time me added a 3 inch top, drawers and a face vise.


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Todd Stock wrote:
I don't think Beth is considering building her bench with mahoganies or rosewoods, so the hardwoods she might likely use will be cheap and commonly available...maple, birch, etc. I've seen some folks dress up a plain bench with some curly material or a stick of something pretty for a front skirt, but - given that the user will be looking at that bench for the next few decades - a little indulgence in some bling is excusable. I used some curly birch for the stretchers on my last bench, as well as some curly maple on the rear apron and on the tail vise cap.

FWIW, poplar and soft maple are cheaper locally than reasonably clear pine, so it makes sense to see what the pricing before committing to materials. If I could get good quality fir here in the mid-Atlantic states, I'd def consider that - tough stuff and fairly hard.

Whatever face vise is fitted, it should handle common luthiery and cabinetmaking tasks...I used to do a lot more hand dovetailing and tenoning, so the L-shaped shoulder vise made sense. For guitar builders, I think nearly any face vise will work, provided it will comfortably take a neck blank.


This face vise would be perfect as an add-on. The picture shows the main reason I wanted a tail vise...to hold the neck blank.

I think I could improve my bench by using the HF bench as the base, and modify the top with 2 layers of screwed 3/4 birch ply surface larger than the HF (I want a slightly longer and wider top and there are times when an overhang would help with clamping a fixture to the bench). But if I do it that way, I'm not sure I could make that face vise you show in your picture Todd. I imagine I could laminate some of the birch to create a "shoulder" or L, attach it to a similarly built-up spot on the bench edge, and then put the vise screw through that.
And to clarify for those who've commented on utility and function for lutherie verses beauty...I completely agree. I don't want to build something I'm afraid to mark up or get spills on. But as Todd mentions....it's nice to enjoy the looks of the bench as well. So I'll dress up the edges with a pretty skirt.


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I hope you post a few pictures when you have it complete. I always find a lot of inspiration seeing the way other people make and use their tools. I'm pretty sure there will be more than a few lurkers following along, too. For what it's worth, I often do take the time to make tools attractive as well as functional. Seems to make them more satisfying to use. Even my hardboard-topped main bench is attractive to me--that is, when it's not cluttered up in the usual fashion! I am awfully bad about that. Good luck with it, Beth!

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I made this workbench out of discarded beech floorboard... Got the wood years ago from a neighbor that was remodeling and among the rubble pile was these really nice looking beech tongue and groove beech floors. I guess they figured a plastic laminate was more maintenance free. The wood sat around for some time before it was actually given to me, and I cut it up, and then really gave the Wagner Safe T Planer a workout getting the original finish off and gluing them into sizable beams. The process took like 2 months.

Then I pieced together the legs and runner from some 4/4 maple I found cheaply, and the workbench was born.


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Tai Fu wrote:
I made this workbench out of discarded beech floorboard... Got the wood years ago from a neighbor that was remodeling and among the rubble pile was these really nice looking beech tongue and groove beech floors. I guess they figured a plastic laminate was more maintenance free. The wood sat around for some time before it was actually given to me, and I cut it up, and then really gave the Wagner Safe T Planer a workout getting the original finish off and gluing them into sizable beams. The process took like 2 months.

Then I pieced together the legs and runner from some 4/4 maple I found cheaply, and the workbench was born.


That's a really great bench, Tai! A lot of work went in to that . And it's pretty, too [:Y:]


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Yea, I don't really want to sell or throw it away when I go study at Lincoln College... so I need to find a way to ship it to the UK if I can spend more than one year in the UK (work or otherwise), and store it in Taiwan during the one year along with my bandsaw, jointer, drill press, etc.

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Hey Tai...are you going there to study musical instrument making? How exciting!


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I'm applying for it... not sure if they will accept me because I don't know if I am "good enough" for them. Still waiting for the interview.

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Beth, first thing I thought of was a Roubo style bench top as well. People are big on using Home Depot/Lowes doug fir. If you spend time on Google, you'll find something pretty on-point pretty quick, I think.



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