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 Post subject: laminated sides
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:26 pm 
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I was thinking of building a maple J-45 style guitar with laminated maple back and sides. I keep wondering how I would laminate the sides now. Any suggestions? The goal is something like this.
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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:42 am 
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this thread may help:

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum ... inated-Uke

It is about ukulele sides, but the same principles should apply.

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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:31 am 
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Laminated can mean several things. I make a 3 ply side with the centre ply going 90 de. to the outer plys. I use sliced veneers, sometimes adjusting the overall thickness by sanding the inner ply which is ususally a different species and ussually .062 thick to start.
I spoke with one guy who uses one species on the outside & a different one on the inside. I make backs this way too. The tap tone of my backs is kind of dull.
I have an outside form so the show veneer goes in first. Then I put it all in a vacuum bag. I use either urea formaldahyde or titebond, original "extend" the ukulele link would be easier probably but I'm not sure what he is doing for clamping, is it rubber bands?
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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:43 am 
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http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10117&t=21455

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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:26 am 
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I've done four guitars with laminated sides. I've laminated sides with both an outside and inside mold. I think I like the outside better for tight bends. For regular sides it's probably a wash. I used Smith's All Wood Epoxy on the last couple and it seemed to work well. Making kerfed clamping cauls on the table saw with a fret slotting sled works well. You can make the cuts and then sand the other side in the thickness sander to get it thin enough. For tight curves I wet the cauls and stick them on the hot pipe to get a more uniform bend. Tim McKnight would be a good person to ask as he has done a ton of laminating.

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Here's what I did for an inside mold

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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Nice Terence! I guess you have to either make new forms or bigger guitars now. Did you do laminated on the reso you made?

Best of the Season,
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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:57 pm 
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Yes I used it on the reso with Cherry. on a Maple archtop, an OM, and a Mahogany archtop. I used the same solid form for bending and as an inside laminating form.

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 Post subject: Re: laminated sides
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:18 pm 
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Hi Terrance,
If you can find some Kerf Kore material it may save you some effort making clamping cauls.
I laminate sides from flitch matched veneer, gluing the slices back together in the same order they were cut. I use west system epoxy. I also do back sets that way. When well done they look like solid wood. The picture is the edge of an unbound guitar I built several years ago


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