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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:14 pm 
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I always thought 5 piece necks were cool looking. I thought, maybe, a 5 piece V-Joint would be cooler, so i decided to try one on my #5 classical. Here is some of the progress so far.

Gluing up the blank.
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Tried to mark it and cut by hand and chisel it true. Didn't work. Always thought doing it on a table saw would be a good option, so I made a sled with the right angle.

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Front side.
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After a few tries, got a decent cut. This is the back side.
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Top of neck.
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Fitting up the head piece.
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Set up for gluing with HHG.
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Gluing up.
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That's where I quit, tonight.


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That is really sweet. Love it!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:45 pm 
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Looks good, is the dark wood rosewood?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:54 pm 
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I've been tempted to do one of those with a peghead in a contrasting wood. Thanks for sharing that, cool way to make a neck and have a head start on the diamond volute.

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Thanks! Yes the dark is EIR from some orphan sides I bought from Shane. They had some white specks in the face, mineral deposits, I assume, but it doesn't seem to show from the edge. The center is Curly Maple. Not sure how to stack the heel. maybe i'll just leave it plain.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:02 pm 
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Tim, missed your post. Thanks. This will be a classical, so I won't put a diamond volute on it. What I will do, is expose the V in the back of the headstock by cutting back strap around it. Like I did with #'s 2 & 4, like this.
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Nice job, Waddy! I use those joints on my 12 strings and they're strong.


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Thanks, Haans!

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Very cool Waddy! Appreciate the pics - I learn so much from how members of the forum approach different challenges. I need a bigger head to park all this info!

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WaddyThomson wrote:
Not sure how to stack the heel. maybe i'll just leave it plain.


Please leave it plain! :D

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:27 am 
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I think it would look better. Not sure how a striped Spanish Foot would look! I wonder if I should cut the neck back to the 9th fret thickness, or close, before I install the heel stack?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:33 am 
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Mine isn't a V joint but this would give you an idea of what a the V might look like for a future project with a 5 piece neck.
That's if you build any steel strings.
I know the info is out there but what is the angle of the V cut. I'm feeling lazy today. :P


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Waddy: Looks good and going to be a very nice neck...! You are much more skilled then this writer...!!
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Again not a spanish heel but it might give you some idea or ideas.


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Waddy ;
I have a old video of the German maker Karl Hannabach cutting the V joint by hand !
He had the Masters title that you had to earn in his day.

There are some amazing things he does with a big pointed knife -like the Mexican makers use.

Nice work sir !
I love the look of that joint!
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Mike, I did my first three by hand, and I was going to do this one by hand. Got the V rough cut, and when trying to clean up with a chisel, found out that the grains were all over the place, and it would cut smooth and then dig a hole when you crossed to another grain pattern. I wasn't having fun any more. Even using the table saw, I had to fit it by hand to get a hide glue fit. You can only cut part of the inside V with a table saw due to the thickness of the blade, so you have to cut short, and finish by hand. Here is where I had back cut to the scribe marks to prepare for sawing the joint.
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Is that African hog?
That stuff I love ,but it's killer to cut clean with a knife.
or chisel.
But that's what Hauser used !
Another master maker.

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No it's Spanish Cedar, but it's the most dense Sp Cedar I have seen. It might as well be African Hog.

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Wow !
I have some like that also !
They are both in the same family.
Just not usually the same density !
Cedrela can rip out easy also.
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