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 Post subject: New Nut Guitar buzz?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:26 pm 
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Ok, I just installed a new nut, and I am getting Sitar-Guitar, and when I put the string on top of the nut, it stops, and fretted it stops, so its my newly cut nut-slots. What to do? Slot too large? Too small? Soap? idunno

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A slot is too deep. Make a new one.
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What kind of feeler-guage-stops does everyone use to set the depth? Just standard feelers?

And why is the sitar thing going? Too deep? Why not just take bone off de top? That lowers the slot. :D

I already muffed the first one...2 is a no no... gaah

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Frei: Are you sure you have put a back slope on the slots? That is a slope close to the angle of the peg head.

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OK Slow on the up take.He has a first fret buzz.

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Yea, babe in the woods....Its an old Yairi guitar, man these things are pretty nice for the price....

Cutting down the nut did help, Ill put more slope on it also, maybe the nur was not a real nice curve... :oops:

But my classical guitar has less string sticking out..

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Not sloped properly back towards the headstock.
Edit...I see someone mentioned this already :)


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 Post subject: Re: New Nut Guitar buzz?
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Frei: Didn't mean you were slow. I meant that I was slow ....! Sorry about that , I should have made it more clear. Take care. Tom.

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I had the same issue a few posts back with my first completion. The problem: My string contact wasn't steep enough at the front (fret side of the nut. In other words, my string contact with the nut was evenly distributed on half the nut creating a sound like you are hearing. After refiling a bit more angle back towards the peghead, the string then made its contact more direct at the fret edge of the nut and problem went away.
If, by chance you think the slot is too deep....just put 1-2-3 strips of paper shims under the nut to make sure....before you cut a new nut.
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Frei wrote:
What kind of feeler-guage-stops does everyone use to set the depth? Just standard feelers?

And why is the sitar thing going? Too deep? Why not just take bone off de top? That lowers the slot. :D

I already muffed the first one...2 is a no no... gaah


Frei buddy here is an excerpt from a toot that I did and posted on another forum:

You can check if a nut slot is deep enough (or too deep….) simply and quickly by doing the following: Making sure that the string is all the way seated in the slot by pressing the string right in front of the nut and visually observing the bottom of the nut slot be sure that your strings are seated all of the way. It’s very easy to cut a nut slot that is too narrow for your string and the string will hang up in the slot. Since you don’t see the action improving you cut the slot deeper and deeper… In short order your slot is too deep, the string is hung up, and now the nut is useless and you have to start over…

To avoid this unfortunate occurrence while cutting nut slots frequently (I check with every 3-6 swipes of the file) check by doing the following:

Fret and hold the string between the second and third fret. Observe the strings height over the first fret and using your finger tap the string between the nut and first fret. The string should NOT lay on the top of the first fret – this is too low. Our goal here is to cut the slots so that the string is ever so slightly clearing the first fret but not touching it. This is dicey at times in as much as the difference between a high nut slot and a perfect nut slot can be only a very few swipes of the file. Please note: It is all too easy to cut the slots too low so be careful!

When the string is still not touching the top of the first fret while fretting between the 2nd and 3rd fret what you want to see is just the tiniest of gaps between the top of the first fret and the bottom of the string. This gap can be so very tiny that you might not always be able to see it but instead see some light through the gap. Another way to observe this is to listen for a “tink” sound that comes from the string hitting the top of the fret when you press between the nut and the first fret and are fretting the string between the 2nd and 3rd frets.

This is actually in my opinion where cutting nut slots properly becomes a bit of an art that one will develop the touch over time. Don’t be discouraged if you cut too far and have to make a new nut – we all have.

The feel that the player will receive while playing a guitar with skillfully cut nut slots is well worth learning to do this correctly. In fact just making a few nuts with the goal being to learn to make nut correctly is well worth the time and effort.

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 Post subject: Re: New Nut Guitar buzz?
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Thanks for the mini-book Hesh!! [:Y:]

I am guessing that when you get the big E string, you can use slip gauges piled up to cut down to, so the bottoms are all the same, its a fret classical board, so its straight.

Man, these old Yairis are amazingly loud, and tone-y

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