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Many of the toots have not been available due to a down server from the old OLF software. Since I am receiving requests for these toots and getting too lazy to keep emailing them out I decided to repost many of my toots in the Video and Picture Tutorial forum of the OLF.

Here is a link to the HHG toot: http://luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10117&t=21198&p=293976#p293976

Thanks!

Thanks Hesh, especially for the bottle source. Nice Toot!!

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I just finished using HHG on my wedge guitar bracing and went from hate to love by the time the back was braced. The top bracing was a complete pleasure to work on, especially the clean up of squeeze out. One needs to have everything ready and not waste any time before clamping. How would you get enough time before the glue starts to gel to put tops and backs on back with HHG as they did in the old days.

Fred

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A couple of my own little tricks...

I Skip the squeeze bottle and use a regular old-fashoned jar with a brush. This way I can test the thickness of the glue each time I use it. I save my salsa jars or whatever jar that fits in my pot and cut a slit in the lid for a brush. The brush I use for gluing is linden brush available from International violin. The brush is not hair but frayed wood and allows you to rub the glue in a little harder.

An aspirin dropped into the disolved glue will retard the growth of bacteria due to its acidity.

To get a little more open time in the winter, squirt in some Franklins liquid hide glue which contains urea.

Here is a good one... keep another little stiff brush in the hot water for clean up. Much better than trying to use a rag. Shake the excess off so it isn't introducing too much water though, but this is very controlable with practice. And in addition, the hot water seeps into the joint and redesolves the glue again after it is clamped giving extra insurance that gelled glue will foul up the joint.

Anyone want to do another group buy, let me know, I am almost out.

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Thanks, hesh lot of effort to redo it

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Ken I had never heard of the aspirin trick before - very cool!

Tony it does not work like that in that we cannot just move info from one thread to another easily and in the case of the archives at all.

So if you want more info in one place, say the toot thread thread, here is your opportunity to help make it happen. This goes for everyone. Have your discussion in the toot thread and list your tips and tricks and everyone will benefit.

My intent is to get the discussion going and if you think that what I have done is overly complex fine let's fix it. Add your expertise and let's make the thread better.

Thanks

[quote="Ken McKay"
Anyone want to do another group buy, let me know, I am almost out.[/quote]

Ken...I'm in on the group buy...How large is the bulk quantity?

I would be willing to commit to 10-20 lbs.

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Thanks Hesh!

Excellent tutorial and it was great of you to take the time to repost it.

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Thanks Hesh! It is great to see this back up.

One thing that I switched over recently is putting the thermometer directly in with the glue. My little rival pot would make some mean swings when it reheated itself up and I wasn't sure what was happening with the glue. I drilled a little hole in the plastic glue bottle and leave the thermo in there. I was surprised to find that the glue temp was lower than the water temp by a little but did not fluctuate as greatly during the pot swings. In all, the little Rival works great! But now I can be sure where my glue is.

As others have said also, a little hot plate to heat up the pieces you are gluing is very helpful too.

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Thanks. I've been looking into using HHG and this should be a great help.

I use a standard heat gun from the big box store to warm the parts before gluing. Maybe not as controllable as a hot plate but it works for me.

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Thanks everyone!

Burton bro that is an excellent tip and I actually had that demonstrated to me today at David Collin's shop. His water temp would be 155F and the HHG in a bottle, capped, in the water bath was 145F. Because of this it's time for me to keep the thermometer in the HHG bottle and not in the water.

Great tip!

Ken, JJ, I'd like to get in on the group buy also. I'm almost out and was thinking of ordering sometime soon.

Hey guys, this glue has a half-life of forever in granular form, so it wouldn't hurt to get some and try it out.

Thanks,
Hutch

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Would anyone be interested in organizing a group buy? I wouldn't have time right now.

But I would be in for 10 lbs.

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Does anyone know where one can buy the 192 stuff in quantity? Let me know and I'll investigate.

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Milligan & Higgins JJ bro and I can't get their web site to connect this morning - you may want to call them.

Thanks Hesh

So I called them and they sell 192 High Clarity 50 lb. minimum for $3.65/lb. The usual sources sell it for $11.00/ lb.

I'll buy the stuff but I need 4 others to commit to 10 lbs each. I'll hold places for Ken and Hutch until they confirm their interest.

So that means, I'll hold 2 more places for anyone who wants in on the deal. Let me know.

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JJ
Napa, CA
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I'll take a couple of keys, er I mean 10 pounds.....

OK...we have the following:

2 confirmed...JJ & Hesh
2 probable...Ken & Hutch (please confirm)

Need one more!

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JJ
Napa, CA
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I'm in JJ. It is 10 lbs at 3.65 a lb.? That sounds great. Let em know where to pay etc... and thanks for doing this!!

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Burton
http://www.legeytinstruments.com
Brookline, MA.

Cool...welcome in Burton!

I'll call the order in tomorrow. The price for each will be $36.50 + 1/5 shipping charges to me + S+H from me to you. I'll let you know when I know and you can Paypal me. Stay tuned.

Ken and Hutch...consider yourselves in!

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JJ
Napa, CA
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Thanks JJ, let me know what payment works best for you. I can send a paypal right now if you wish.

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Ken

I'll have a better idea of final cost once I know the shipping and handling charges. Stay tuned.

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JJ
Napa, CA
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Going forward, it will be easier to organize and communicate via email. Please send your shipping address to me at jjdonohue at kconline dot com. Thanks

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JJ
Napa, CA
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