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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:10 pm 
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Not that it makes any difference to this discussion, but I and several others here participate in other guitar-related forums.
It's nice to recognize a familiar name, or handle for that matter, but that is not usually the case. It does help with evaluating the value of posted information, and there's much less bad information posted here than in the players forum to which I belong.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:24 pm 
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LanceK wrote:
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And every time this is brought up someone has to be the real "bad guy" and point out that there are many perfectly valid personal and professional reasons why one might not want to reveal their full identity on an online forum that is accessible to the general public.

Yeah, we had a good discussion about this recently http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10112&t=45544
I argued in favor of handles. But ultimately it's up to Lance.


I would prefer names, but I do understand the reasons behind some wanting to remain anonymous.
I would rather have the perks of a great lutherie brain here behind a handle than not here at all. [:Y:]
I can understand the pro's wanting to feel a sense of 'community'. The rest of us? It really doesn't matter that you don't know us by our legal names. Just take care of the bad actors as needed. I've run a telescope making list for over 10 years. These kinds of groups are generally made up of people wanting to learn something and share experiences with like minded people, not folks looking to convert us to their mindset.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:09 pm 
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Hesh, I like your idea a lot.
Let me work on it. I know I can set permissions, create sub forums etc.
Right now I am in the middle of a new "marketplace" for the OLF. But as soon as that is up and running I think I will pick you brain on this subject and get something like this going.
Maybe we can do lunch?
The "everybody can read" thing makes if perfect. I dont want to exclude anyone anywhere.
But requiring "permissions" to be set forth to "write" with in a subforum for Pros might be an excellent way to bring back some of the names we miss and also bring some of the the folks that have never been.

Thanks for the food for though buddy!


Yup and for those on the good ole OLF who are not working pros things can continue as they are AND there is the added benefit and value of being able to read what many of the pros think and do.

It was a learning experience for me because as you know I've been interested in why more pros don't participate and post for years now. I've even done informal surveys and asked many of them.

When this other forum opened up for pros only each and every one was personally invited and 150 or so came. One can glean from this that there is an opportunity for a pro forum and based on the level of participation many of them not only joined but posted on various topics.

You know pros do want to be able to take a break from endlessly toiling by candle light.... :) and kick back, put our feet up and read about Lutherie and what folks are doing. That's what Dave and I often do when we are taking a break.

Lance thanks for the consideration and I am happy to help in an way that you wish, always!

Have a great weekend!



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:16 pm 
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OR Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) Test bliss


Thats what always comes to mind when I see PSA

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:39 pm 
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LanceK wrote:
OR Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) Test bliss


Thats what always comes to mind when I see PSA


Me too. Going Monday for my geriatric blood work! :D

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:27 pm 
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Hesh wrote:
Lance all good points and let's drop that idea all together in that I would never want to put you and yours at any risk what so ever. You do have attack horses however... :) I was simply trying to come up with a solution that might suit many perspectives.

It seems that what we have now is not only most of the time pretty special but likely the only thing that works. I can accept that so don't let me be the problem here.

Mr. Bond has a cool name and I wonder if his very cool guitars are shaken and not stirred.... :)

I also love Reservoir Dogs and IIRC it was made back in the day for something like $50K.... Amazing and I think that I also remember that Harvey donated his talents to the effort.

Anyway the last thing that we need to be doing is having a Reservoir Dogs three way stand off because in the film everyone got wounded or worse.... :)

George thanks much for that - you made my day and the feeling is very much mutual too!

Back to Lance - You know Lance there was another forum several years ago that ran for a couple of years and it was pros only with identity verification as well. Real names were required, no one ever flamed anyone else or showed up at that door. It was civil, had around 150 of some of the biggest names in the biz, and there were lots of great threads and as for me I just ate it all up. Being able to hear Turner about nitro becoming 100 years old or Dan E. or Frank F. or Linda M. etc. and many, many others provided me with a level of value never experienced prior. I also think that anyone would benefit from this so long as the rules that that forum operated under, we called it the "Vegas" rule, what happened there stayed here were maintained.

In my thinking searching for a solution my belief is what if a solution could be had that made George happy, me happy with real names but not required by all, and you, Lance happy too without risk or undo work. What if too it could take the OLF to the next level a level never held prior and what if it could make the forum more profitable, vibrant, informative, while still retaining the opportunity for folks who wish to become real friends instead of simply virtual friends.

When the forum that I speak of closed down it was not at all for a lack of participation but instead the forum owner decided to get a real job and suspended or cut back his Lutherie activities. Or, in other words the business model worked very well in all respects that I know of but eventually was shut down because of life's events for the forum owner.

Perhaps a second iteration of the OLF would be the way forward while maintaining the current version. I speak of a sub forum that requires identification verification but is only open to working pros who the majority of our incomes come from Lutherie. That was the standard of the forum that I speak of too.

What would be new and different about it is that the pro forum would provide access to all in the form of read-only access so that newer folks could for the first time in human history at least have read-only access to some of the names that we all are interested in hearing what they have to say? The new forum would be put together or recreated in the image of the forum that I speak of but with sponsor links, etc. to drive revenue and offset costs.

This could be a growth opportunity and perhaps just what you might be interested in Lance. Additionally although the pro forum was self moderating and worked you could enlist the assistance of others to help keep the thing up and running.

In another sense as well even though there would separation of the two forums we all know what setting the stage or climates are and with the pros setting their own standard for civility that I know from experience to be very good it may, I say may, help keep the original OLF civil too by example.

And then there is Big Jim!!! Jim you can darken my doorway anytime you wish just let me know what kind of beer you like! :)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:14 am 
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Alex Kleon wrote:
Dave Rickard wrote:
LanceK wrote:
OR Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) Test bliss


Thats what always comes to mind when I see PSA


Me too. Going Monday for my geriatric blood work! :D

Alex


Alex my urologist is only around 4 foot 5" tall and has very small hands.... a welcome thing...... :cry: :roll: :D

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I like real names. I also like real first names with last name initialized. I do not like screen names (here). I use screen names on, say, political sites. If someone uses a screen name here, and I don't recognize them, I tend to avoid them (recent case with warped wood excepted). But then, you might have noticed my initial post there? It's just harder to be a jerk with ur real name (not impossible, I've proven that), but the desire to behave better is brought into play.


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I have mixed feelings about real names online. Been using printer2 for over ten years and on various sites and people who recognize the name from from those sites know me and where I am coming from. I treated the name as I would my own and never posted a post that I would not if I used my own name. Been part of some explosive topics and my ability to not get dragged into the mud resulted in my being asked to help moderate one forum.

When I found an interest in guitar forums I naturally used the name I was known by. Thousands of post later it is hard to say goodbye to it. On another forum they have an option to add a few words as a signature and I used it to give my first name. Just looked and you can add your real name here also along with where you are from. I see this as a workable compromise in keeping my online name that I am known by across forums and a real name for those that prefer it.


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When I found an interest in guitar forums I naturally used the name I was known by. Thousands of post later it is hard to say goodbye to it. On another forum they have an option to add a few words as a signature and I used it to give my first name. Just looked and you can add your real name here also along with where you are from. I see this as a workable compromise in keeping my online name that I am known by across forums and a real name for those that prefer it.


I agree. Its when I see a screen name and no profile info (like a name) and a low post count that I tend to shy away. My real name is on my guitars and my real name is (in one way or another) on my comments.

Political thought sites are an entirely different animal.


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I like seeing the general location of people too.

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dzsmith wrote:
I like seeing the general location of people too.


Helps to understand comments where weather, material use and availability, or spelling come into play.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:57 pm 
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As a beginner, my discussions and thoughts are rudimentary...... of course!
Although helpful, I cant help but feel a Pro Forum would follow topics at an elevated level beyond my ability.

When I think about it, it all boils down to time. If you choose to further divide it, something else must be affected (good old multitasking).
Seems like a win for the Pros and a loss for the Joes. Depending on the goals or direction of the site, this could be the right decision.

Having expressed my feelings, I fully appreciate this site and the people who contribute, and people certainly are allowed to do what they will with their time.
These are just my initial thoughts, and I'm trying to get my post count up so people will take me seriously. o_0

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:05 pm 
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dzsmith wrote:
I like seeing the general location of people too.


Had the city in the wrong location, fixed it.


Would not mind hearing from more 'Pros' on topics from the trade. Would hate to see them from a distance and gawk at them if they only walked their side of the street and not mingle among us dabblers.


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Yeah, the general idea is/was for new guys to mingle with the pros. The pros, however, can't find themselves embroiled or associated with petty squabbles. And, what makes u so sure there isn't a pro page here? ;)


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I do like seeing names myself and hence have emailed my request to change from a handle to my name. I'm not sure what I think of the private/professional forum idea though. My concern would be that the professionals would be less inclined to visit the general/amateur area and I find their advice to the amateurs like myself invaluable. Would they, as Gregorio posted above, talk more above our heads? No matter what happens I will still peruse every thread I see. Here's to hoping there will be many more valuable nuggets to glean with better participation regardless of the level of poster.

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Well I haven't been on this forum forum maybe a year or more. I've always used my real name on any forums I've been on. Should I be worried about Internet stalkers?


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Lonnie J Barber wrote:
Well I haven't been on this forum forum maybe a year or more. I've always used my real name on any forums I've been on. Should I be worried about Internet stalkers?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:26 pm 
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Well that's a relief. I'm to far away from where? You know just as a side thought. When I've been on forums where they all had aliases I used my real name even then. I just remembered that they all had an established pecking order. I've not seen that here. I wouldn't have stayed if that had been the case. I have friends here from other forums. Everyone has been kind and very helpful. Not once have I received anything but kindness and respect. Thanks I'm not a pro like you guys. Oh I make money sometimes but I'm 70 nearly as old as Frank. Lol
Other then frets.net and Ken Cierp's forum this is where I come. The information is first class on all three forums.
As far as Hesh's idea about the secret forum and us other guys can watch or read. That's superb. Hope it comes about. Will there be a box where us lookyloos can suggest a topic?


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