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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:33 am 
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My favorite moulds so far have been, 1" ultra light MDF sandwiched between BB.

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:59 am 
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wbergman wrote:
If you have a CNC that can cut all of the laminated mold in one operation, that is good. However, if you plan to cut the layers individually and then glue them up, that is not good. It is not that easy to get them to register. If you cannot cut it already glued up, then you might be better off using a shaper table to cut each successive layer after it is glued. Some people use a hand held router, but I am not steady enough to do that.


Like Arie, I've done moulds using both 3 or 4 layer pre-glued blanks and with individual sheets pinned together after cutting and even a combination of both where the customer wanted to be able to add a layer as required for deeper bodied guitars. Both methods work equally well in my experience and both have plusses and minuses.

The pinned method allows you to do a few things like build a hinge right into the mould. With my work method it takes significantly longer because I use vacuum to hold down the sheets, leave a .1" skin at the bottom and then free the parts on a router table with a flush trim bit. For a 3 layer mould that's 6 pieces that have to be freed on the router table.

Glue up in advance works well but, there's more prep work and it takes a lot more glue to keep the larger sheets together. Additionally, dust collection is more difficult because you have to cut more than 2" deep.

Remember that there's a very broad spectrum of CNC machines out there, from commercial machines designed to hold a tolerance of .0005" or better when cutting steel to fully home made machines that can barely cut the MDF they're made of and can't cut a round circle if their business depended on it. And of course - a lot in between. If individual sheets of a mould are not lining up after being cut, that's a problem with the particular CNC machine being used, not a problem with using CNC in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:00 pm 
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I to like MDF for molds with a protective coat of shellac I've never had an issue.

I hate splinters and plywood is just not what it uses to be....

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:13 pm 
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My favorite is domestic plywood:
- The ply layers about about 1/8" thick, so fewer glue layers, so easier on cutters.
- Much higher quality/uniformity than import/big-box ply, not quite as good as BB.
- To get a stiff mold at a given weight, it's more effective to make the outside a little bigger than it is to use a stiffer (and heavier) material like BB -- remember the cube rule. Domestic ply layers are SPF, I assume -- much easier to machine than BB or MDF, and modest dust.
- Price is about halfway between import ply and BB.

The LMI design is nice because the parts are ready for glue-up right out of the CNC, and no extra hinge or clamp pieces are needed (other than the pin), and every layer is the same design, just flipped.

I CNC one 3/4" layer at a time and have great results using dowel pin alignment. 2 pins isn't enough -- I'd suggest about 6 per half (every 5"-6" along the perimeter), plus the hinge pins at each end. I check squareness of the sandwich on a flat table, but have only rarely needed to tweak it. As Andy said, the CNC machine needs to be reasonably good.

After glue up, I trim all edges with a 1/8" round-over bit, sand, and seal... no splinters.

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
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Plywood is a lighter material. I like that aspect of it. However, I do have MDF moulds.

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:37 pm 
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The nicest molds I have seen are made by a friend Rick Maguire (maguireguitars.com) who uses high density fiberboard and MDF in a sandwich, MDF in the middle. They are really nice...
I use home-center grade plywood for molds. It works just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:04 pm 
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Ive used solid pine layered one at a time with a router. No alignment problems, light, cheap, non of the problems the other materials have and because they are layered different expansion tendencies seem to be countered by other pieces. Theyve stayed flat and smooth for years in an un-moderated garage.


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 Post subject: Re: Mould Material
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:02 am 
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An OM version of what I plan to make, I've decided to go with mdf as after playing with the CNC router I've discovered it sticks to the vacuum bed better.

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