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Goat? Such an insensitive term, Tony.

This is what is referred to today as a Master Select Milk Artisan...

Ha....there is nothing naive or idealistic about advertising execs since most of them were spawned from lightning strikes and didn't have mothers. How about if I apply the word "stupid" only to those that are wrecking the world for...well....just about everyone?

As for the sensitive crowd...since any word applied to a generally percieved taboo, slur, or deficiency will eventually evolve within any society to again convey the true issue, the constant changing of the word becomes a perpetual cycle that attempts to avoid ackowledging the issue.

Both parties, the advertisers and the hypersensitive, live on the outer skin of the onion. If I have to walk on eggshells around them...I'm going to be miserable.

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So I can assume that is the goat that made my artisan gaot cheese. . .

Paul, I take your point but I'm not sure I would be willing to say that anyone who could be considered a luthier (not just grabbing the term because it is cool) is not an artisan. I don't consider myself to be either, BTW. In my mind there is a disconnect between artisan and artistic. I may someday become skilled enough to cosider myself an artisan but I may not have developed that sense of style that I consider artistic in my projects. I hope to, but who knows. . .

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Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

You are right Charlie, I was being insensitive. However, your Master Select Milk Artisan has offended me...or titillated me. Not sure which yet. Either way, I am not comfortable looking at it.
THREAD CLOSED!!!

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Tony, I think the word you are looking for is teatillated. . .

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Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

Bingo. And that's because of the overuse of terms like artisan and master, which dilutes them to the point of meaninglessness. The term 'artisan' has been rendered impotent in America today. Unfortunately, because of its overuse and misuse by some vendors, the term master is being neutered as well.

Yes. Yes I am.

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I'm not necesarily disagreeing with you, but that is not the point I was making. I think the defenition of artisan includes people who are skillfully creating (insert product here) with or without regard to any asthetic or artistic criteria. In that sense, anyone making a boreing or even ugly looking functional guitar is an artisan. An artist may make a GSO that is so elegant looking that it brings tears to your eyes, he/she may not have had any intention of it ever makig music (perhaps it can't even be tuned). That person would have a great artistic sense but not be an artisan.

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Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

Seems to me all we are doing is splitting Goat hairs here !

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This is purely a personal preference thing, but I like goats hairless.

I'm with ya Bryan. Thanks for the clarification.

this should be your new signature !

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Then you definately don't want constant constancy. . .

Finally a thread devolves to potty humor, right in my wheel house.

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Yeah, "Artisan" is now a word of Epic proportion.
<groan>

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What exactly are the "Proportions" of epic ?

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

I didn't have to browse the internet for too long until I found another nice one...

official

of·fi·cial [uh-fish-uhl]
noun
1. - a person appointed or elected to an office or charged with certain duties.

adjective
2. - of or pertaining to an office or position of duty, trust, or authority: official powers.
3. - authorized or issued authoritatively: an official report.
4. - holding office.
5. - appointed or authorized to act in a designated capacity: an official representative.
6. - (of an activity or event) intended for the notice of the public and performed or held on behalf of officials or of an organization; formal: the official opening of a store.

Source: dictionary.reference.com

So big that it has to exist out of the box.

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

I like to think of myself as an artisan profligate.

When I was young, I was an artisan delinquent.

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Artisan
Or
Luthier


This thread is a waste of time

Perhaps the term "artisan luthier" was coined to distinguish them from those who go by the term "hack luthier".

Is there a rule I have missed that says every thread must be of profound significance in reguards luthery ? If we take a moment to look through the list of threads there is a significant amount of excellent suggestions , ideas , direction and advice . The bounty is endless . I guess I fail to grasp the disdane that is apparently flowing toward the simple fun of a frivilous moment now and again .


A good smile at the end of a tedious day is never a waste of time to me !

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

This thread is sweet.
It's all good.
No worries.

GOaT MILK?

Based on what i have read at most lutherie forums i have to assume that a real luthier never laughs. They don't have fun or smile. They simply stand around stoically, building guitars. Luthiers and humor appear to be like oil and water. Just my observation.

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