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It's going to be a bu99er on your arm over the lower bout, ain't it?

Dave F.

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"There goes Mister Tic-Tac out the back with some bric-brac from the knick-knack rack"

5 cents worth:
My guitars should look as nice as your Jigs. I have car jacks that aren't that sturdy.

Good luck...Looks like a nice challenge to me.
Kent Bailey

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Very cool shape! But there are several reasons why I wouldn't do it on the first guitar...1. Difficult to bend and shape the sides. 2. Added weight of the corner blocks needed to hold all those points. 3. Binding is going to be a b#tch! But good luck!

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Do we really want to live in a world where everyone comments?

"IF" Ive planned it right that will be just behind the arm and wont affect the playing, But we all know how ifs are

To date ive had 212 who didnt comment , thats $10.60 ive made , Im rakein it in now baby

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Hi Friend,
I almost never offer critique or say anything remotely negative since it is far more fun to just be encouraging.

However, I am going to offer some advice. I strongly dislike the shape - primarily for ergonomic reasons. I often play the guitar in many different positions and I can guarantee you that the corner on the lower bout would absolutely interfere with my playing. That area of the lower bout should be a smooth contour. In fact, you are putting a hard edge where many of us put a bevel. Playability and ergonomics should be of great importance in a guitar design -- unfortunately, they simply are not addressed properly with this design. Electric guitars have more freedom in the design and this shape hints of electric guitar influence. I will often sit down on the couch with the face of the guitar titled upwards and my arm wrapped around the body near the tailblock. In other words, we make the lower bout round for a reason.

Also, do keep in mind that I am coming from the perspective of a full-time builder. I make guitars for customers -- not for myself. If your design is simply for your own satisfaction, then if the ergonomics work for you -- then that is all that matters. However, a vast majority of the guitar playing population would have ergonomic issues with that shape.

Kudos for thinking outside the box and you obviously have a unique style. But I would really rethink the lower bout.

Kind Regards,
Simon

Thank You simon for your insite , I do appreciate all comments . I am not above looking at his again and making adjustments , I have had several people making the same comments in regard to the position of the cutaway in the lower bout . Thank u all , it definantly gives me food for design thought .

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Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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n-i-c-k-e-l

which is .05 dollars

or 5 cents

Go for it!

For me,the first guitar was made out of the tree that we cut down in my back yard. Silver Maple - poor choice of wood - so what.

The first guitar is a love affair - and just as irrational (at least for me)

Your results may differ - but I found I needed to do my own thing on number one. And I got it done, which was really the point.

I love the design - if you listen to the other good suggestions re: tactics to compensate for hte challenges of your creativity on the lower bout - you'll be fine.

Keep us posted!

Is that a Larson body?

Mike

Actually its a modified body design based on the 1935 Kay tenor guitar that I happen to have a old top from .

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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376 who havent commented , at 5cents each thats $18.80 I can afford MCDONALDS !!!

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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heck no I want the whole world to owe me a nickle !!!

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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Hey... I was supposed to get a quarter.....

Ok, I`m going for my nickel,too.
I have to agree with Dennis Leahy about the support needed between the outsides of your molds. Cupping could be an issue, especially if you`re going with a body depth in the area of 3 3/4".
MDF is also a better material overall. Sure, it makes one heck of a dusty mess, but you only need to do it once (hopefully), and makes for a more stable and cleaner looking mold.

You must really love binding! That or you`ll grow to hate it.
If you wanna win the race, I say giddyup.
Coe Franklin

BTW, don`t bother with the nickel, as I only accept 10`s and 20`s.

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Actually I have yet to bind anything ive built . I have tried the all natural simplistic look and done a basic roundover at the edges to create a smoth transition. Not sure If i will do that here or try Binding .

If I decide to bind it I might send it to Hesh and let him do it !!

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The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
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I like the shape, though this obviously won't be true for everyone. I think that trying to do something new is admirable. If nobody ever tried a little something different, we wouldn't have the guitar in the form it is today. If it works for you and you have fun doing it, and this is your hobby/fun...you've succeeded.

Darrin

Sorry, my bribery threshold exceeds your offer.

Danny R. Little

welll some people just cant be bought

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/

I've read it several times, but this is my first comment. Do I need to comment repeatedly to get back to even?

Anyway, I think it's cool. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Mike

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Mike Lindstrom

Interesting, admirable, not my taste. I'm curious, how will you address the bracing that's let in to the sides of the guitar if you don't bind over them?

I applaud your enthusiasm!

Ken

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They dont go all the way through , I plan to scallop them at the end and leave an approx 1/2 section that will glue to the sides directly with the kerfing . Again , this is ideas that have not been tried by me yet , may be bad idea, dont know however that the thought at this point.

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The Shallower the depth of the stream , The Louder the Babble !
The Taking Of Offense Is the Life Course Of The Stupid One !
Wanna Leave a Better Planet for our Kids? How about Working on BETTER KIDS for our Planet !
Forgiveness is the ability to accept an apology that you will probably NEVER GET
The truth will set you free , But FIRST, it will probably Piss you Off !
Creativity is allowing yourself to make Mistakes, Art is knowing which ones to Keep !
The Saddest thing anyone can do , is push a Loyal Person to the point that they Dont Care Anymore
Never met a STRONG person who had an EASY past !
http://wiksnwudwerks.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/GatewayA ... rAssembly/