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 Post subject: Re: Neck set nightmare
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:56 am 
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Now this is getting interesting, I have always used the method Hesh outlined, along with most of the guitar builders i know.

Davids post makes me think of a few builders who are shaping their sides in a different way, like Howard Klepper here and Stefan Sobell. These guys seem to have a pretty clear picture in their head of the tone they are chasing, and have found that non spherical doming helps to achieve it. I think i have also heard Mario p. talk about using several different radiuses in his building.

I have seen some non spherically domed guitars that had a completely beautiful look, with really interesting and flowing contours.

Sooo, anyone doing this want to talk about why and how you do it? I dont see anything wrong with using radius dishes like most of us do, but i am curious, it seems like a step towards refinement that some of the better builders are doing.

BTW, Howards website has some great descriptions and pictures of his arching.

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 Post subject: Re: Neck set nightmare
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:35 am 
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Radius dishes are a rather new feature (to me), so having fit compound radius backs for years, I never adopted the use of one for prepping the rim. It seemed awkward and unneccessary.
I am using a sanding stick as I described for this and indeed I'm gluing the back braces in a radius dish, but for the actual fitting, I don't want to be constrained by the spherical cross section in that I make a flatter and stiffer back than this would idealy allow.
Also, the top geometry I'm using is far more complex than that allowed by a simple radius.


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 Post subject: Re: Neck set nightmare
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:56 am 
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David LaPlante wrote:
Spherical radius dishes were an invention of those seeking to automate ever more facets of guitar construction.
The compound curve previously used on guitar rims takes a bit of skill and practice to prepare for a good back fit .

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Who the heck ever said that a guitar's top and back had to be spherical??!


David,

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I've been saying this on a number of luthier forums for a number of years and felt like I was talking to a brick wall. Well said you!!

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 Post subject: Re: Neck set nightmare
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:00 am 
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I dunno .. maybe it was the same guy who said guitars need to be shiny ....

From a construction POV .... there are also those who force a domed/curved top onto a flat rim as well. Different strokes ...

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