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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:29 pm 
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Howard, I am not really familiar with the Aluminum (maybe Bob.C or one of the fellas running one can chime in). I have heard different stories regarding minimum wheel diameter, min. required tension. I am not sure if there are different alloys being used or if those rules are still set in stone? Also, regarding tension. I have forgotten to grab the tensioning bar before laying into billets. I have made sequences of cuts with the blade way under tensioned, and it cut just dandy( I am not sure if this would be the case if I was using my carbide blades to cut metal, but either way it did the job on wood).

I don't see an increase in the power required to run carbide tips. A sharp blade cuts easier and requires less power. My 14" saw had a 1 HP motor it never really outgrew, although you could see it slow a bit under heavy load(more HP or feed slower). I have a 2 HP that seems to not blink at anything I have tossed its way. With any tool more HP helps a bit, but I would think a couple HP on a machine that is running good should be fine.

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Rich- thanks for that post. Just about the same conlusions I have found.

The reason I tried the Aluminum Master was because it was the first Lenox CT to have a new more flexable band material. Larry Davis suggested that I give it a try. The Tri-Master was more prone to band cracking especially on smaller dia. wheels.
The blade was designed to cut Aluminum thus the name Aluminum Master. It cuts wood just fine and lasts a long time. Since then Lenox changed the band material on the Tri-Master so I would suggest staying with that or for a more aggressive cut
The Woodmaster CT. I think 1" is the narrowest width available in this blade. I have a Laguna 16 LTHD with 4.5 HP Baldor Motor. No stress problems using these blades on 16" dia. wheels. I'm still using oven cleaner to clean my blades. They look and cut like new after cleaning.

Dennis I think a 1" blade on a 14" saw is way too much blade for that saw. Not so much in the HP dept but in the stress a 1" blade would place on your saw in order tension it. Just not designed for that kind of use. Besides a narrower blade should work just fine.

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Thanks, Bob.

I just won a 93 1/2" x 3/4" x .035" x 3tpi Lenox TriMaster blade, so I guess I'm just about to find out how I like those on my 14" saw!

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I'm just bumping this old thread up because it is awesome. Not just best blades, but best theory and practice for resawing. Especially fryovanni's post towards the bottom of the first page. I was glad to find it, others might be too :)

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sanaka wrote:
I'm just bumping this old thread up because it is awesome. Not just best blades, but best theory and practice for resawing. Especially fryovanni's post towards the bottom of the first page. I was glad to find it, others might be too :)

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Yes - a good thread. Haven't heard from Fryo in quite a while. The grape vine tells me he's doing well though.

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hello,

here in germany we also do resawing, but of course it is a little bit difficult to order all these different blades from the usa. I use this blade:
http://www.hema-saegen.de/fileadmin/PDF ... er2006.pdf

Hema IKARUS Qualität 526

Of course i can not compare it to the Resaw King or the Lenox, but, hell, this blade cuts BRW like butter, dead on straight, with a superior surface.

Just wanted to tell you.

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Trying to sort through all this info to decide what blade to use on my Jet 14" saw (with riser block)... I don't do a lot of resawing, but I'm getting ready to cut maybe 40 sets or so out of various woods - black limba, hard maple, white oak, black walnut, etc - the toughest of them probably being a piece of Makore I should be able to get a couple of sets out of.

Up till now, I've used a Woodslicer. I've been thinking it's time for me to get a carbide tipped blade, but after reading all of this, and another recent thread on the same topic, I'm still uncertain as to the best choice. The Lenox Trimaster, 1/2" width? Or - ? Any additional advice would be much appreciated.

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I am getting the 1" 1.3t (.051) Lennox Woodmaster ct for my 3HP G0514X2 (143" blade length). $132.00 seems like a good price. Anyone know of any better deals?

On another note, does anyone have any experience with the timberwolf blades that Grizz supplies?

According to Grizzly:
Timber Wolf® Band Mill Blades are high performance bands that, in the hands of a knowledgeable woodworker, will cut blade consumption by over 50%. The exclusive use of low tensioned, high ductile Swedish silicon steel, unique geometric gullet designs and sets, unique manufacturing processes and quality control that is unsurpassed in the business has resulted in the production of the finest band saw blades in the world.

Silicon steel is the highest quality carbon based steel available, being hardened to a much higher degree than high carbon steel, as well as being highly conductive, which relates to the speed at which it can dissipate heat away from the teeth. The direct result of a harder tooth and faster heat dissipation is longer run times and a cooler blade in the cut.

Timber Wolf® mills the teeth of all their blades, as opposed to stamping them out. This process produces a blade that is at least 50% sharper out of the box. Timber Wolf® also uses induction hardening, which results in a blade that will conform to a band wheel using 30% less tension.

High Performance (HP) and Raker (RK) blades are specifically designed for detail work in 1" and smaller kiln dried wood when a very clean finish is required. They are also effective in plywood and other woods where tear-out is a concern as well as the cutting of soft metals.

Positive Claw (PC) blades are everything a wood cutting blade was meant to be. They have over 60% of the speed capabilities of a hook style blade with "hook" style gullet geometry and fast chip removal, while giving you the great finish of a skip.

AS-S blades are only .025" thick with a total overall set is only .048 thousandths of an inch. These bands were specifically designed for straight-line resawing in very expensive, thick woods. These blades utilize the thinnest kerf possible and provide a super finish when speed is not a concern.

I am tempted to grab a few of these blades because they are only $30 to $40 bucks a pop. I figure they can be used to cut plywood, 2x4's etc. Is this a waste of money though? the saw already comes with a 3/4" timberwolf blade.



this has been a great read and very appropriate for me since I just purchased a new bandsaw. So thanks to whoever bumped this thread up.


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My experience with Timberwolf/Viking bands is not good. New they cut nicely, but once they start to dull a little, they quickly heat up and lose their set. Then they get really hot and dull in a hurry -very short lived for me.

Try looking at the Lenox kerf-master bands from Spectrum Supply. Then cut nicely and last far longer for me than the Timberwolf/Viking bands.

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My experience with Timberwolf/Viking bands is not good. New they cut nicely, but once they start to dull a little, they quickly heat up and lose their set. Then they get really hot and dull in a hurry -very short lived for me.

Try looking at the Lenox kerf-master bands from Spectrum Supply. Then cut nicely and last far longer for me than the Timberwolf/Viking bands.

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I've had great experience with the Timberwolf blades. I've had the same one on for a few months now with regular use and resawing (OK, maybe 30 sets worth of resawing) mold making and general use. Still plenty sharp. Having said that, I've been using them for quite a few years on my 17" and don't really have a base for comparison other than the Olsen's I used to use which are nowhere near as good in my experience.


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I thought I would ask my question on here instead of posting a new thread. Has anyone had any experiance with woodmaster ct with 2 tpi? I was going to try it out, but spectrum supply ran out of it and I am not sure if I should wait the 3 weeks for it to come in. I am now debating on just getting the ct with 1.3 tpi. Any opinions?


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I thought I would ask my question on here instead of posting a new thread. Has anyone had any experiance with woodmaster ct with 2 tpi? I was going to try it out, but spectrum supply ran out of it and I am not sure if I should wait the 3 weeks for it to come in. I am now debating on just getting the ct with 1.3 tpi. Any opinions?


depends what you want to do. Are you re-sawing? If so you probably would want to go with the 1.3tpi over the 2 tpi. At least that is my understanding, since the larger space between the teeth allows for wood to be removed more easily.


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:mrgreen: Is this a private fight or can anyone join in?- Old Irish Saying- I have had a couple conversations with Louis Iturra of Iturra design and that has helped shorten my learning curve on resawing. I have tried alot of blades on my last two saws. I had grizzly 14" G0457 with the tall throat 2hp motor and now I have a Shopfox 21" with a 5hp and ceramic guides. This is my sixth bandsaw 1. Rockwell 14", 2. Inca 330, 3. Inca 710, 4. Minimax pro 32, 5. G0457 Grizzly 14". Resawing is not easy! Alot of factors to deal with. I love bandsaws but they can be the toughess machine in the shop to set up because of all the variables. They don't recommend large blades on a small bandsaw because they can't be tensioned properly and if the wheel is small they will work harden and break. I used a 1/2 trimaster on my Grizzly 14" and it was pretty good but if I pushed hard I could stop the saw in a 8" cut. One over looked thing is the blade speed. Resaw bandsaws have a fast blade speed that one reason I opted for the 21" 4600fpm. Iturra in his catalog shows how to soup up a Delta 14" to resaw with a different pully set up to get it up in the neighborhood of 4000 fpm. I could see a big difference from the Grizzly at 3000fpm as the blade has to get rid of the saw dust. I am still learning about resawing lately I have been using Lenox bi-metal 1' variable tool like the wood slicer. They work very well and the finish surface of the cut is very good. I wish I could sharpen them as the cost about $65 bucks a piece. Good tip in a previous post about cleaning them. Sometimes dull is really just dirty. One thing worth mentioning to potentional resawers is you process after the machine is well set up. The stock has to be flat and square. If the wood has a warp in it it won't contact the fence properly. So I face joint and edge joint my wood. I have screwed up alot of wood trying to skip this part. I bought some nice Sapele today but it is already at 3/4" but it may have developed a warp in storage. In my experience 1 set and an orphan is better than two junk sets. Buy thicker wood and rejoint often I usually do it every couple slices. It because errors compound. I have tried cutting several slices one after the other without rejointing and it was a big mistake. So maybe this will help or maybe someone can help in my resaw technique. I failed to add that I spent alot of time working on my fence adding a high corian fence and making a micro adjuster. I am working on making it a little more solid so it won't deflect. I have nice wheel hold ins I bought from Stockroom supply but it is easy to overtighen them and deflect the fence we are talking thousands but with guitar we talk in thousands. Bill The Greenman

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Todd Rose wrote:
Trying to sort through all this info to decide what blade to use on my Jet 14" saw (with riser block)... I don't do a lot of resawing, but I'm getting ready to cut maybe 40 sets or so out of various woods - black limba, hard maple, white oak, black walnut, etc - the toughest of them probably being a piece of Makore I should be able to get a couple of sets out of.

Up till now, I've used a Woodslicer. I've been thinking it's time for me to get a carbide tipped blade, but after reading all of this, and another recent thread on the same topic, I'm still uncertain as to the best choice. The Lenox Trimaster, 1/2" width? Or - ? Any additional advice would be much appreciated.

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Todd - I've been very happy with a 1/2" Trimaster on my 14" Delta with riser. I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to tension anything wider - I can only get to about 18K or 19K of the recommended 30K lbs/sqin for this balde as it is - the heavy duty Iturra spring is compressed at that point. The blade has cut very well at this tension though, with basically no drift and no curve to the cut, through a range of woods including 10" Ovangkol, which I think is about the worst I've given it. I'd gladly buy the blade again.

Note: I'm using a 2 HP Baldor motor, and that could make quite a difference, so my recommendation may need a sprinkling of salt.

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Thanks for your input, Jim. Much appreciated.

Quoting Don Williams from earlier in this thread:
"Part of the issue with the Trimaster is that the rake angle on the tooth is very flat, and it relies on high tension and heavy hp to punch it through the wood. It's almost a hammer-like effect. A lot of us folks with Delta 14's and smaller saws experience big problems with the trimaster for those reasons."

Apparently you're experience has been different, Jim. Maybe the solution is simply a very slow feed rate - ?

Along with a 1/2" Trimaster (3 tpi), I'm still considering a Lenox bi-metal blade (1/2", 4 tpi) as well. Just wonder if the latter would dull too quickly in something like Makore.

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Well, I decided on the Woodmaster CT but it only comes in 1" widths and there is no way my 14" Grizzly could tension that so I'm ordering a new bandsaw - seemed like a good reason to me laughing6-hehe

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:mrgreen: Is this a private fight or can anyone join in?- Old Irish Saying- I have had a couple conversations with Louis Iturra of Iturra design and that has helped shorten my learning curve on resawing. I have tried alot of blades on my last two saws. I had grizzly 14" G0457 with the tall throat 2hp motor and now I have a Shopfox 21" with a 5hp and ceramic guides. This is my sixth bandsaw 1. Rockwell 14", 2. Inca 330, 3. Inca 710, 4. Minimax pro 32, 5. G0457 Grizzly 14". Resawing is not easy! Alot of factors to deal with. I love bandsaws but they can be the toughess machine in the shop to set up because of all the variables. They don't recommend large blades on a small bandsaw because they can't be tensioned properly and if the wheel is small they will work harden and break. I used a 1/2 trimaster on my Grizzly 14" and it was pretty good but if I pushed hard I could stop the saw in a 8" cut. One over looked thing is the blade speed. Resaw bandsaws have a fast blade speed that one reason I opted for the 21" 4600fpm. Iturra in his catalog shows how to soup up a Delta 14" to resaw with a different pully set up to get it up in the neighborhood of 4000 fpm. I could see a big difference from the Grizzly at 3000fpm as the blade has to get rid of the saw dust. I am still learning about resawing lately I have been using Lenox bi-metal 1' variable tool like the wood slicer. They work very well and the finish surface of the cut is very good. I wish I could sharpen them as the cost about $65 bucks a piece. Good tip in a previous post about cleaning them. Sometimes dull is really just dirty. One thing worth mentioning to potentional resawers is you process after the machine is well set up. The stock has to be flat and square. If the wood has a warp in it it won't contact the fence properly. So I face joint and edge joint my wood. I have screwed up alot of wood trying to skip this part. I bought some nice Sapele today but it is already at 3/4" but it may have developed a warp in storage. In my experience 1 set and an orphan is better than two junk sets. Buy thicker wood and rejoint often I usually do it every couple slices. It because errors compound. I have tried cutting several slices one after the other without rejointing and it was a big mistake. So maybe this will help or maybe someone can help in my resaw technique. I failed to add that I spent alot of time working on my fence adding a high corian fence and making a micro adjuster. I am working on making it a little more solid so it won't deflect. I have nice wheel hold ins I bought from Stockroom supply but it is easy to overtighen them and deflect the fence we are talking thousands but with guitar we talk in thousands. Bill The Greenman


What was the difference in HP between the 3000 fpm and the 4600 fpm?

My new saw runs at 3500 fpm but it has a 3HP motor. I'm hoping that I don't have any problems getting through very dense woods.


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Has anyone actually compared the number of sets you can resaw with a carbon vs a carbide blade to see if the price difference is worth it? I can get a 111" carbon kerfmaster from Spectrum Supply for $18, or a carbide trimaster for $144. Will the carbide blade really resaw eight times as many sets as the carbon blade? Thanks, Paul


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Has anyone actually compared the number of sets you can resaw with a carbon vs a carbide blade to see if the price difference is worth it? I can get a 111" carbon kerfmaster from Spectrum Supply for $18, or a carbide trimaster for $144. Will the carbide blade really resaw eight times as many sets as the carbon blade? Thanks, Paul


It really depends on what you are cutting. In Cocobolo, Apatong, or Wenge the carbon band will have a much shorter life than in Mahogony. If you plan to cut lots of high-value and 'difficult' rosewoods, carbide is definitely worth it and will likely have more than 10 x the life of the carbon band. If you only cut a few sets or "easy" wood, Carbon steel can do a good job and cut lots of sets. If you hit a nail in the first inch, you can ruin either of them.

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Well, I decided on the Woodmaster CT but it only comes in 1" widths and there is no way my 14" Grizzly could tension that so I'm ordering a new bandsaw


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Thanks for your input, Jim. Much appreciated.


Apparently you're experience has been different, Jim. Maybe the solution is simply a very slow feed rate - ?



Or the extra HP - I think that could be the controlling factor.

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I'm getting ready to slice up some BRW billets. I'm hoping for 6 slices per inch (12 sets) per 2" billet. [:Y:] Yes, it was an incredibly lucky score. [:Y:]

Anyways, I went with the Woodmaster CT 1" .035 1.3 tpi blade (143"). Now (like always) I am questioning my decision. Should I send it back for a 2 tpi?

I came accross this article, which recommends using more tpi for resawing, but they also recommend the wood slicer blades from Highland, which is a carbon manganese blade, not a carbide tipped blade like the woodmaster ct.

Resawing Secrets

Almost all problems that occur with resawing after you have tuned up your saw is due to the wrong blade being used. A dull blade is nothing but trouble! You should use the widest blade that your saw can handle. Select a blade with three or four teeth per inch and a 5 to 10 degree hook. The hook tooth design is an aggressive blade that has deeper gullets for better sawdust removal and it also reduces the feed pressure that you have to make. You will find that most ¾” blades are .025 in thickness which is too heavy for a 14” bandsaw, so use a ½” blade.

If you are very fortunate your band saw will track perfectly and resawing will be great experience, but if are like 99% of us it will not. The fence is the first thing that needs modification. The fence needs to be as high as the piece being sawn. If the fence is too low, when feeding the board through the saw the bottom of the board will tend to move away from the fence. The face of the fence MUST be 90-degrees to the table. Even if the fence is out of square by only a ½-degree, the finished boards resawn from a wide board will have a taper.

You may have to adjust the fence for lead or drift. Setting the fence at the right drift angle is critical to resawing. Start by cutting on a piece of scrap. Stop the about half the length of the board and trace the angle of the board onto the bandsaw table with a pencil line. Clamp the board to the table and set up the fence along the joined edge of the board. Now the fence is parallel to the cut, and the blade will have no drift. Be sure to join both edges and one face. Run the joined face against the fence.

When you re-saw keep both hands on the piece. Put our right hand on the end grain, pushing the board through the saw. Keep the left hand low and spread your fingers to press the piece against the fence across a wide area. Slow constant feed pressure is the key to success. If you stop sawing for a moment, the blade will bite a bit deeper.

(Entire article) http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com/Band%20Saw%20Tune-up%20Dec%2003.htm


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Joey,

All of my re-saws run a 7/8" tooth spacing. I would rather have fewer teeth than more as the issue in resawing is removing the sawdust. More teeth means smaller gullets which means more sawdust is trapped in the cut unless you really reduce your feed rate which creates other problems. The statements made above are general in nature and look like they were made for a 14" saw. By your blade length your saw is larger than that so I would keep your band. Your sawing schedule (6 slices per inch) is very ambitious and I will be interested to hear how you make out. When sawing for your own use you can get away with this but when I saw (even when I custom resaw for others) the best I is 4 slices per inch with .055 kerf.

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Shane Neifer wrote:
Joey,

All of my re-saws run a 7/8" tooth spacing. I would rather have fewer teeth than more as the issue in resawing is removing the sawdust. More teeth means smaller gullets which means more sawdust is trapped in the cut unless you really reduce your feed rate which creates other problems. The statements made above are general in nature and look like they were made for a 14" saw. By your blade length your saw is larger than that so I would keep your band. Your sawing schedule (6 slices per inch) is very ambitious and I will be interested to hear how you make out. When sawing for your own use you can get away with this but when I saw (even when I custom resaw for others) the best I is 4 slices per inch with .055 kerf.

Shane


Hey Shane,
Here is what I will be re-sawing, I think (hope) that it is quartered well enough to stay pretty thin, although jointing will take a bit of extra care. the back billets are actually well over 2", the sides are the issue, although they are normally thinner anyways. I'm hoping to get 6 slices per inch out of the sides so that I have enough sides for the backs. the backs are probably 2.5" or better, more likely closer to 3". Also the sides are very well quartered as you can see. Honestly the whole thing makes me nervous, especially since I want to maximize my yield (obviously). I'm not sure I'd be content with 4 sets out of all that wood. I think that would pretty much prohibit me from selling any of the sets, and I was considering selling one set, which I would do if I had 6. Not 4 though.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:43 pm 
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With a good set-up you should be able to get 6 sides but you need to be really careful. Six sides per inch is .166" and you need to take the kerf off 5 of those. So with a .035 kerf and perfect set-up (which is not very easy to do) you will end up with slices that are .1375. That is like very good for sides, lots of room to clean up to .90 or so. But you really need to spend the time on set-up and you also want to be sure that although the band is only a .035 kerf you still want to be sure that there is no unevenness is your wheels that will make the actual kerf larger. So, run some test pieces on less valuable stock.

Good luck and I sure hope it all works out well for you. That looks like decent wood.

Shane

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