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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2026 3:31 pm 
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After sitting unused for two years, I finally put my small SM grinder and the thick scrapers into service. The difference was immediate: they produced a much faster, perfectly planar surface of the sides. I did cut a shallow ledge to keep end grain out of the leveling process.

The net time savings from achieving truly flat sides far exceeded the setup time required to tune the grinder and sharpen all three scrapers. If you’re undecided about thick scrapers and hollow‑grinding on a small wheel, the time and performance payoff is real. And the compact grinder was absolutely worth buying—easy to store, minimal footprint, and the small wheel geometry makes establishing a consistent hollow grind easier.

I had previously watched SM’s video of Al Carruth demonstrating the sharpening sequence and thought it looked like far too much effort . The grinder and scrapers eventually went on sale, so I bought them… and then left them boxed until this week, after spending hours trying to level sides with a standard cabinet scraper and sandpaper. Link to Al's Video ---> https://youtu.be/a7XRbfbpXiE?si=TN7o0GW4H3v-Iggh

Now, after my first 100% dead‑flat side‑leveling session, it’s obvious why my final, ready for finishing, binding thickness was always sub-par before top coat. The scrapers and hollow‑grind workflow should remove that variable entirely. I highly recommend these scrapers- wish I had unboxed them 2 years ago...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2026 5:27 pm 
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I love the one I have and I use it often. It defines the word "handy".

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I bought one when they first came out, got them all now. Love em!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2026 10:39 am 
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Use mine all the time with great results and never hollow grind.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2026 11:46 am 
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I’ve got one but can’t figure out how to sharpen it. I have a grinder but not a fine wheel. How do you all do it?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2026 3:31 pm 
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As with a regular 'card' scraper, the cutting edge is a burr on the corner. Normally you form it by filing or grinding the edge square with the face of the scraper, and use a hard steel burnisher to compress the edge, which forms a burr, and turns it to more of a hook shape, which faces the right direction to cut properly. The hard scrapers are fully hardened steel, so you can't turn the edge with a burnisher. Instead you simply flatten the face and grind the edge to produce a burr.

Normally this is done by hollow grinding the edge after the face has been lapped flat on a fine stone. With a grinder you set up the tool rest so that the wheel hits the edge right in the middle when the tool is flat on the rest. The central plane of the tool is exactly on the radius of the wheel. Then you just run the scraper around, taking a light cut, until you've produced a burr all the way around.

You can also sharpen it by lapping the faces and standing the tool up on edge on the stone. This works best with something like a diamond stone, that maintains a pretty flat surface. A fine stone will produce a small, and sharp, burr that is good for fine cuts. I usually do this on my hard scrapers evey other sharpening, as it helps to keep the 'straight' edge straight.

A carbide skate sharpener should do the job of producing a hollow grind. It's a much smaller radius than most wheels, of course, so I have not actually had the patience to remove that much steel by hand.

The hollow grind is just a convenience anyway: it's fast, and makes it easier to keep the edge square. You could do the whole job on hand stones with some sort of guide to keep things square. A little out of square doesn't hurt, for that matter. The main thing is to lap the faces smooth and flat, and then grind the edge somehow. As with any edge tool, the smaller the scratches the sharper the edge, and the long it will last, all else equal.

Which brings to mind: I use I find it works best to hold the heavy scraper as nearly perpendicular to the face of the work as possible. This backs up the edge better. Hard steel is brittle, and it's microscopic chipping that dulls the edge. Leaning the scraper any further forward than necessary leaves less material behind the edge, and it dulls faster. I had one student who used the run off the end of the work with every stroke, and bang the tool into the bench top, dulling the tool in a few minutes, and making divots in the bench, too. :cry:



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2026 11:49 pm 
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Glen H wrote:
I’ve got one but can’t figure out how to sharpen it. I have a grinder but not a fine wheel. How do you all do it?


https://youtu.be/a7XRbfbpXiE?si=TN7o0GW4H3v-Iggh

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2026 10:48 am 
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Realizing it’s not for everyone, I use the Sorby Pro Edge set at 90 degrees and with a very fine ceramic belt. Takes maybe 30-60 seconds. I don’t usually burnish but see no reason why you couldn’t if so desired. I occasionally lap the sides on a diamond stone plate.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2026 6:23 pm 
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I've used an ice skate sharpening contraption to sharpen mine. Works great and it's very low tech. Saw it on one of the forums--maybe this one.

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ballbanjos wrote:
I've used an ice skate sharpening contraption to sharpen mine. Works great and it's very low tech. Saw it on one of the forums--maybe this one.

Dave


out of curiosity, can you show the contraption you use or link to similar?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2026 6:09 am 
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Here you go.


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