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 Post subject: neck/head joint
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:29 am 
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When I was in barcelona last year I stumbled on a flamenco luthiers shop & he had a head joint that was some kind of sliding mortise & tenon at the 13 de. angle & it may have been dovetailed too. I tried, from memory, to mock one up yesterday with a dovetail, but not really sure if I got it the same way he did?
It sure is strong however. It will be very timeconsuming. Are there any photos or designs out there in cyberspace?
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 Post subject: Re: neck/head joint
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Your talking about a V-joint. A lot of classical builders use it. Joshua French did a superb tutorial on it for the forum some time ago, it can be found here:

http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10102&t=10511&hilit=+joint+jfrench

They take a bit of practicing to get right but are an elegant form of joint.

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 Post subject: Re: neck/head joint
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:18 am 
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No that is not what I saw. It is more the way I descibed it. I'm going to try another one today & maybe I'll learn how to post a picture.
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 Post subject: Re: neck/head joint
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I saw a discussion somewhere about using a finger-joint on the head/neck joint. Could that be what you are talking about?

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Here's a pic from frets.com of the old Martin joint.

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That modified bridle joint is also called by one classical maker a 'Fussen V-joint'. It's what Hauser used. It's actually a fairly easy one to make and fit if you're good with a table saw. Julius Borges uses it on his Martin copies, and that's where I first saw one going together.
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Alan Carruth wrote:
That modified bridle joint is also called by one classical maker a 'Fussen V-joint'. It's what Hauser used. It's actually a fairly easy one to make and fit if you're good with a table saw. Julius Borges uses it on his Martin copies, and that's where I first saw one going together.


Alan,

Do you know of an instructional video or any other type of tutorial on how to execute this joint?

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 Post subject: Re: neck/head joint
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OK here is a sample of what I remember. I'm calling it an open mortise & tenon. I cut the mortise on the TS with a dado 5/8" & the tenon on the TS with a sliding fixture set at 13 de. It is incredibly strong, & offers much more glue surface than the scarf joint.
I hope folks will give me their opinion. Does it affect the ascetics of the final shaping at the back side?
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