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Author:  Mark Hanna [ Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Weak Low E response

Hello All, I have a guitar I built for a customer 10 years ago. The guitar has a weak low E response. (Not balanced with the rest of the strings.) I suspect it may be a heavy brace on the sound board. (I did build heavier bracing back then). My question, are there any particular braces that should be thinned out, or any other ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Author:  Pmaj7 [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Whichever ones that you think you did too heavy back then. It's really hard to reach any of them through the sound hole, so you are pretty Limited. I have taken wood off of the sound bars and x-brace. It's pretty crude, but I have had a noticeable tone improvements each time.

I'm not sure how I would go about addressing a specific frequency or string. Each time I've just tried to loosen the whole thing up a bit.

New username, same Pat Mac

Author:  wbergman [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

My first classical was pretty dead. I reached in with a rounded Xacto and started carving. Each time a little better until I got a bit too much off and it started to go bad, so I stopped. I think steel stings guitars have a lager sound hole, so it might be a tad easier. I can no longer fit my arm into a classical.

Author:  Colin North [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Assuming it's a steel string, and you're not talking about amplified, if you can get a hand to it, shaving/scalloping or tapering the lower bass X brace should help.
I use a wooden thumb plane myself, followed by sandpaper.
Little at a time and check changes (leave string on the guitar capo at 2nd fret and put the string back to check)

Author:  klooker [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Just the low E?

Have you looked at the saddle & bridge slot to make sure there's good solid contact all the way across?

Kevin Looker

Author:  Pat Foster [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Mark, good to see you here again. I've had some success shaving down the back braces to bring up bass. They're a lot easier to get to and shaving them doesn't risk structural issues nor dulling the trebles.

Author:  Alan Carruth [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Often the best way to improve the bass response is to shave back braces. The idea is to get the 'main back' tap tone to couple more strongly with the 'main top' mode, by getting them closer together in pitch. This lowers the pitch, and strengthens, the low 'main air' part of the bass reflex couple, which is the resonance that does the most to help reinforce the lowest notes. The nice thing about this is that it doesn't weaken the top, which is far more critical structurally. You can also check out the effect reversibly. Just get some poster adhesive and stick a wad onto the back over one of the braces. This will lower the tap tone pitch in the same way as shaving that brace would, so you can hear what effect that would have. If you don't like it you can try something else. I'd be even more inclined to do this if I were thinking of shaving top braces; at least you'd know going in whether removing material was likely to work for you.

Author:  LarryH [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

Alan Carruth wrote:
Often the best way to improve the bass response is to shave back braces. The idea is to get the 'main back' tap tone to couple more strongly with the 'main top' mode, by getting them closer together in pitch. This lowers the pitch, and strengthens, the low 'main air' part of the bass reflex couple, which is the resonance that does the most to help reinforce the lowest notes. The nice thing about this is that it doesn't weaken the top, which is far more critical structurally. You can also check out the effect reversibly. Just get some poster adhesive and stick a wad onto the back over one of the braces. This will lower the tap tone pitch in the same way as shaving that brace would, so you can hear what effect that would have. If you don't like it you can try something else. I'd be even more inclined to do this if I were thinking of shaving top braces; at least you'd know going in whether removing material was likely to work for you.


Very interesting and always appreciate your insight Alan but am confused a bit. Sticking a wad (of what?) on a back brace has the same effect as shaving same? I assume a wad can be a wad of anything one has handy? Again very interesting and I have guitar that's a little weak on the bass side. Maybe I'll stick a wad of something on the back and see what changes.

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

I think Alan means poster adhesive like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQMFEC/re ... 53622&sr=3

Keep in mind not to leave it on for too long (like days) because I've found it leaves an oil spot behind on walls and such.

Author:  LarryH [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

bcombs510 wrote:
I think Alan means poster adhesive like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQMFEC/re ... 53622&sr=3

Keep in mind not to leave it on for too long (like days) because I've found it leaves an oil spot behind on walls and such.


Thanks...

Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

NP. And if this was all just a rouse to try to get Alan to talk about his wad(s), I'm sorry I ruined the joke.

Author:  Mark Hanna [ Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Weak Low E response

As always you guys are great. Thank you. This guitar will be here in March. I have big hands and fore arms, so getting in that 4" hole is going to be a job. I will keep you updated when it comes in.

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