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Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Here is the latest Luthier Tips du Jour video -The topic is using CA glue to install bindings.
This video as well as all my other videos are available via my website http://www.obrienguitars.com/videos/, LMI's website or on Youtube.
Enjoy!
Author:  mkellyvrod [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Thanks, Robbie. I've been going with white glue, and would like to try something different. Binding gaps have been a problem for me. Was contemplating the CA approach, since I've heard it referenced to several times on this forum, but probably would not have thought to use the accelerator or the wooden block without seeing your video.
Author:  herry tze [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:29 am ]
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Hi.Robbie, can I joint 2 pieces soundboard or back plate with CA?
Author:  michael jennings [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:33 am ]
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Is this method just as applicable to plastic or celluloid binding as it is to wood?
Do you allow the accelerator to "dry" before applying the CA?
Any problems with heat on plastic / celluloid from the "catalystic" reaction between accelerator and CA?

Thanks
MikeJ
Author:  Fred Tellier [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:44 am ]
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Another great video Robbie, keep them coming.

Fred
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
herry tze wrote:
Hi.Robbie, can I joint 2 pieces soundboard or back plate with CA?


I used to join my classical guitar backs with CA glue for years.
I don't think I would use it on soundboards because it might stain the tops.
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
michael jennings wrote:
Is this method just as applicable to plastic or celluloid binding as it is to wood?
Do you allow the accelerator to "dry" before applying the CA?
Any problems with heat on plastic / celluloid from the "catalystic" reaction between accelerator and CA?

Thanks
MikeJ


I have used CA glue on plastic bindings without issue.
The accelerator will evaporate off very quickly.
You don't have to use the accelerator. I was just in a hurry! :D
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Fred Tellier wrote:
Another great video Robbie, keep them coming.

Fred


Thanks Fred and others. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Author:  LarryH [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Another thanks for a great video. One minor precaution - if you touch the CA pipette to the accelerator on the binding you can harden the tip of the CA pipette in a hurry. Don't ask me how I know this.
Author:  john calkin [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:05 pm ]
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Nice job, Robbie! As always.
Binding is my favorite part of building the bodies. I, too, often use CA, but extra thick stuff, and I proceed just like it was Titebond but only 3 or 4 inches at a time. A couple tricks I've found to eliminate gaps on the bottom of the binding---if you use commercial pre-purfled binding, sand the bottom of the purfling. I use 80 grit on a sanding stick, I wear an Optivisor, and I only sand until I see sanding marks across the bottom of the purfling. Cutting the individual strips off the lay-up often leaves a standing burr. If the burr bottoms on the rabbet, you'll have a gap when the burr is scraped away as the binding is dressed. Also, I use a chisel to scrape out the corner of the binding channel all the way around the guitar. My routing method often leaves a rounded corner that often interferes with proper seating of the binding. Again, I use the Optivisor. If things look strange I slap in a length of plastic binding to check the ledge and clean it up with a chisel if necessary.
Author:  Alex Kleon [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:54 pm ]
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Thanks for another great video, Robbie! As usual, everything is nicely explained and shown. An extra pair of hands would certainly help!

Alex
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
john calkin wrote:
Nice job, Robbie! As always.
Binding is my favorite part of building the bodies. I, too, often use CA, but extra thick stuff, and I proceed just like it was Titebond but only 3 or 4 inches at a time. A couple tricks I've found to eliminate gaps on the bottom of the binding---if you use commercial pre-purfled binding, sand the bottom of the purfling. I use 80 grit on a sanding stick, I wear an Optivisor, and I only sand until I see sanding marks across the bottom of the purfling. Cutting the individual strips off the lay-up often leaves a standing burr. If the burr bottoms on the rabbet, you'll have a gap when the burr is scraped away as the binding is dressed. Also, I use a chisel to scrape out the corner of the binding channel all the way around the guitar. My routing method often leaves a rounded corner that often interferes with proper seating of the binding. Again, I use the Optivisor. If things look strange I slap in a length of plastic binding to check the ledge and clean it up with a chisel if necessary.



Thanks John. Another method that works and one which I didn't show in the video is to use the brush on CA glue and do a few inches at a time like John does. The brush applicator sure is convenient and helps keep things clean as you work. This method is shown in the upcoming online course I just filmed with Mike Snider of Snider guitars to bind a Les Paul type electric guitar.
Author:  Nick Royle [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:37 pm ]
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Does everyone else hear Robbie's voice in their heads as they read his comments here? :) And the theme music.
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Nick Royle wrote:
Does everyone else hear Robbie's voice in their heads as they read his comments here? :) And the theme music.


laughing6-hehe Good one Nick! Years ago I got a call from someone in New Mexico asking me some questions. After about 15 minutes of conversation he said, "You know Robbie, I feel like I have known you for years! I listen to you every night in my living room!"
Author:  Nick Royle [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:03 pm ]
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Quote:
he said, "You know Robbie, I feel like I have known you for years!

Nearly two years and counting for me! :) One of your "YouTube apprentices"!
Author:  arie [ Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
thank you for another great video! i use ca for binding and it is really fast. i don't use accelerator though because i'm not in that much of a hurry. one tip that i might suggest is that when cutting the binding/purfling rebate don't cut into the kerfing. that way any glue will never get inside the guitar.
Author:  jfmckenna [ Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:17 pm ]
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herry tze wrote:
Hi.Robbie, can I joint 2 pieces soundboard or back plate with CA?


I built and entire guitar with CA glue (in various viscosity) except for the bridge glue on the top. So yes it can most certainly be done but don't forget to use shellac as the CA will definitely stain. I probably would not do it again, it was more or less an experiment, but it works fine and the guitar is going on 5 years now. I've used it on other guitar joints that are at least ten years old with no issues.

I've pretty much converted my binding technique to just using CA now. It's so quick, easy and accurate.
Author:  Beth Mayer [ Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:38 pm ]
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Thanks, Robbie! Great tut as always :)
Author:  MikeyV [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:47 pm ]
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To add to the chorus...I bind using thin CA also. It's fast, easy, and no clamping or tieing rope for me.

I just hold it with my fingers and glue a section at a time. The bouts make this really easy. Just a little it harder in the waist. I use a piece or scrap of something here.

Yeah, I glue my fingers to the guitar now and again.
Author:  Imbler [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:58 pm ]
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I wear disposable latex medical type gloves while gluing with super glue. I go through several pair because I do indeed glue my fingers(glove) to the guitar every once in a while, but it lets me push the binding in place with my hands,
Mike
Author:  LaurieW [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:11 pm ]
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Thanks for the pointers for this method....and a great looking grand auditorium guitar too :D :D
Author:  mikemcnerney [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Luthier Tips du Jour video - Bindings with CA glue
Robbie, About the shellac sealcoat. It's not quite clear to me but when you do the top do you also try to get shellac on the endgrain in the cut channel? If so, do we know the CA sticks to shellac?
MM
Author:  Randolph [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:02 am ]
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Robbie, so well done. Your videos are a treasure. Once again, thank you!
Author:  LanceK [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:20 am ]
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I have been binding with CA for years as well. I ALWAYS have to tip the body upside down and wick UPWARD to avoid the dreaded inside drips and runs. Even still, I find that CA offers a steady sure way of gluing binding and allows you to SEE your work before you commit to gluing it.
Author:  Mike Dotson [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:08 am ]
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I think Robbie's real secret is that he has 4 hands!
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