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Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
My wonderful wife bought me some stuff from Stew-Mac. One of the items was the Carruth Scraper. Been wanting one for some time. I honestly do not know how you could appreciate this tool unless you have used card scrapers and sand paper on guitar projects. This thing is pure genius! Not to mention almost zero finger strain. The way the corners are designed are perfect for leveling purfling without squeezing or thinning the binding. Mr Carruth, thank you! Mike |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
I couldn't agree more!! If she didn't get you the set you'll be wanting the mini one too. Attachment: IMG_1551.JPG
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Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Where do you find the mini useful? I dread the moment I have to sharpen it. I will be buying a new stone for the grinder. But I worry about the radius. The current edge looks like it was done on a small diameter wheel. Mike |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
But yes. It is an amazing little tool. I will probably buy more just because. ![]() |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
That was the mini I was using on the bindings. Sharpening is not that hard. I have one of those low speed grinders from Woodcraft with the white wheels and it works fine. I just flattened the sides on a diamond stone and then gently ground the edge on the fine wheel. I set up the guide to be at right angles to the wheel. Easier than I expected. |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Why do you flatten the sides? I know little to nothing about sharpening these. And I won't attempt till I know everything |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
The little note that comes with the scrapers tells you how to sharpen them. There's also instructions on StewMac's website. It's just lapping the sides to get rid of any burrs that may be there before you grind the edge. I ground the edge very gently, just enough to see that I had made new marks on it all the way across. |
Author: | nyazzip [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Quote: Seems like good use for the Tormek. ...it seems like unless you were able to move the arced edge at an exact consistent speed/force against the wheel, you would get a scalloping effect, on the curved scraper edge. unfortunately i have the tormek, but no Carruth scraper... but knowing tormek, they probably have a jig for those too ![]() |
Author: | mqbernardo [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
nyazzip wrote: but knowing tormek, they probably have a jig for those too ![]() ![]() edit: slowfor removing a big chunk of metal on the scraper? |
Author: | mqbernardo [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Big chunk as in "that thing is thick"! But, thinking again you should just have to grind the edges of the hollow, so i guess it's no biggie. You're spot on on the price Filippo! Cheers, Miguel. |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Anybody know the radius of the stone used to make the original grind? Mike |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Don't know but mine is 8" and I for sure did not remove very much metal. |
Author: | Alan Carruth [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
I don't know what radius they used, but it really does not matter. You can use a fairly tight radius, or make it flat: the thing will still work. I often touch mine up by lapping the faces to get the burr off, and then standing it up on a diamond stone to dress the edges. This gives a small, sharp burr which is really nice for final scraping, or for use on soft woods. This is what I use for the final surface on violin family stuff; no sanding. It has the added advantage of giving you a really straight edge, which makes a good guide the next time you do grind it. |
Author: | mqbernardo [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Alan, since you've chimed in, what grit do you use when you diamond-stone the scraper, if I may so ask? Thanks, Miguel. |
Author: | Alan Carruth [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
mqbernardo asked: "...what grit do you use when you diamond-stone the scraper, if I may so ask?" The red one? ![]() |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Alan Carruth wrote: mqbernardo asked: "...what grit do you use when you diamond-stone the scraper, if I may so ask?" The red one? ![]() Red one is Fine or about 800 mesh (25 micron). |
Author: | mqbernardo [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
thanks guys! |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Alan Carruth wrote: I don't know what radius they used, but it really does not matter. You can use a fairly tight radius, or make it flat: the thing will still work. I often touch mine up by lapping the faces to get the burr off, and then standing it up on a diamond stone to dress the edges. This gives a small, sharp burr which is really nice for final scraping, or for use on soft woods. This is what I use for the final surface on violin family stuff; no sanding. It has the added advantage of giving you a really straight edge, which makes a good guide the next time you do grind it. I'm hunting around for a new wheel for my bench grinder. What would you reccomend? Alumina Oxide? 150 grit? Mike |
Author: | nyazzip [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
150 grit is way too coarse for putting an edge on metal... i'd say 6-800 at the coarsest |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Finer is probably better but the wheel I used is the one that came with the grinder - 120 grit. Sharpened it just fine. Based on Al's comments I'll probably try the diamond stone next time. |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
nyazzip wrote: 150 grit is way too coarse for putting an edge on metal... i'd say 6-800 at the coarsest seriously? Have you looked to see what is available out there? 150 seems to be on the high end. |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Filippo Morelli wrote: I was going to use a laser, but don't have one strong enough. I guess the plasma cutter will have to do ... Filippo I'm looking for a 12,000 micro mesh wheel. Plasma is out of my range. |
Author: | nyazzip [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
well not many people do final hone on knives and chisels with 150 grit, and the edge of a scraper shouldn't be any different in principal.....the rough grit should leave a grooved, comb-like, furrowed finish. if you're just removing material, fine, but lots of people use scrapers to finish |
Author: | Mitch Johnson [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
I'm bumping this thread because I just had a chance to use my new scraper to scrape some binding. This thing is awesome! Anyone who doesn't own one, needs to go buy one now. Who knew scraping binding could be so fun! |
Author: | Robbie_McD [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Carruth Ultimate Scraper |
Agreed, best purchase 2013 so far! |
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