Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun Aug 10, 2025 2:02 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Fingerboard glue lines?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:17 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:57 pm
Posts: 465
City: Quakertown
State: Pa
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
What is the best way to prevent glue lines where the fingerboard meets the neck? I have a couple of builds where I can see the glue lines in this area. Fingerboards where glued with titebond original. Fingerboards were hit on a jointer, surfaced with a thickness sander, slotted, inlayed, and then radiused. Are there any "secrets", or tips to get a good glue line? I'd appreciate any tips you guys might have.

Thanks,
Scott


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:39 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:01 pm
Posts: 1104
Location: Winfield, IL.
I've never been able to get a dead flat surface off a jointer or a thickness sander. I have a flat plate with sadnpaper glued on that is the final step to surfacing a neck and fingerboard prior to glue up.

Get a granite slab or a chunck of plate glass or a machined piece of steel to do your final prep and you'll be set. There are other ways to accomplish the task, this is what works for me.

Steve


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:49 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:34 pm
Posts: 552
City: winnipeg
State: manitoba
Country: canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I use 80 grit on glass and still have glue lines.

Bob :ugeek:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:13 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:03 am
Posts: 6680
Location: Abbotsford, BC Canada
Use a glue which is more transparent than titebond (fish, hide, epoxy), clamp at the edges vs the middle, lots of clamps, ample pressure.

80 grit is not good surface prep for gluing. 220 grit minimum if using sandpaper, a plane is better, or scraper.

_________________
My Facebook Guitar Page

"There's really no wrong way, as long as the results are what's desired." Charles Fox

"We have to constantly remind ourselves what we're doing....No Luthier is putting a man on the moon!" Harry Fleishman

"Generosity is always different in the eye of the person who didn't receive anything, but who wanted some." Waddy Thomson


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:14 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 22, 2010 10:32 am
Posts: 2616
First name: alan
Last Name: stassforth
City: Santa Rosa
State: ca
Zip/Postal Code: 95404
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Use more clamps.
C clamps are really strong.
First get a good fit though.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:49 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:21 am
Posts: 2924
Location: Changes when ever I move..Australia
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Run a scraper down the center of the neck shaft to create just and ant's dick of relief above the truss rod fillet.This will ensure that the outer edges of the FB make firm contact with the neck. Once you apply the glue, clamp the FB in place using a caul that has a tighter radius than the FB, this will also ensure positive contact for the edges of the board all but eliminating the glue line.

Cheers

Kim


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:41 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:56 am
Posts: 1271
One more thing, if using glue with water in it, do what Kim says and leave the clamps on over night. The water will try to cup the fingerboard and if you take the clamps off too early, the edges will pull up.

_________________
http://www.chassonguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:19 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:42 pm
Posts: 4217
Location: Buffalo, NY
First name: Robert
Last Name: Cefalu
City: Buffalo
State: NY
Zip/Postal Code: 14217
Country: US
Kim wrote:
Run a scraper down the center of the neck shaft to create just and ant's dick of relief above the truss rod fillet.This will ensure that the outer edges of the FB make firm contact with the neck. Once you apply the glue, clamp the FB in place using a caul that has a tighter radius than the FB, this will also ensure positive contact for the edges of the board all but eliminating the glue line.

Cheers

Kim


laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe

_________________
Beautiful and unusual tone woods at a reasonable price.
http://www.rctonewoods.com/RCT_Store
The Zootman
1109 Military Rd.
Kenmore, NY 14217
(716) 874-1498


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:33 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:59 pm
Posts: 2103
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Country: Romania
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Make sure both neck and FB are dead flat (a quality knife edge ruler is very useful) and then with a scraper or plane blade scrape just a bit of relief along the centers, which you need to do anyway prior to gluing in order to have a clean fresh surface. Then test it dry and make sure it seats in easily and gap-less. I use fish glue, bunch of clamps overnight and have no glue lines.

_________________
Build log


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:42 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:44 am
Posts: 2186
Location: Newark, DE
First name: Jim
Last Name: Kirby
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
alan stassforth wrote:
Use more clamps.
C clamps are really strong.
First get a good fit though.


I think fit is more important than pressure. I have personally over-clamped some fingerboards when I was using a slow setting epoxy, and had such complete glue squeeze out that, when the fingerboards fell off some months later, the glued (?) surfaces looked almost clean. Now I don't go to far past the point where the screws first tighten up. I don't think you need to clamp that hard.

_________________
Jim Kirby
kirby@udel.edu


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:11 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:57 pm
Posts: 465
City: Quakertown
State: Pa
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
The neck on the one that I am about to glue up (electric guitar neck) is curly maple and has two carbon fiber rods already installed. I mated up the FB to the neck and see a few spots where I can see a tiny gap where there is a little dip where there is curl. This is when I put a little pressure on the joint to see how well they mate up. So what is the best way to ensure a tight glue joint at this point? I assume that I shouldn't plane it with the CF rods in there? ( I do have a brand spanking new LN smoothing plane that has yet to be taken out of the box for 5 months now!) Should I run it through the thickness sander to smooth it out (Which I think it was used to get to this point)? My fear of a scraper is that I will put uneven pressure somewhere and create more uneveness.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:16 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 am
Posts: 4915
Location: Central PA
First name: john
Last Name: hall
City: Hegins
State: pa
Zip/Postal Code: 17938
Country: usa
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Use an appropriate radiused cawl when gluing and be sure you prep the joint . I used tiet bond , HHG and fish glue and have not problem.

_________________
John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:50 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:43 am
Posts: 108
Location: Gilbert Arizona
First name: Brian
Last Name: Forbes
City: Gilbert
State: Arizona
Zip/Postal Code: 85297
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
A trick to get the planer to make the board nice and flat is to send a longer board than needed through the planer, and when trimming to size cut off the waste from the back end. My planer makes great passes until the end of the board, then it gets wavy. I plane both pieces like that, then I clamp the living hell out of them. No glue lines at all, Titebond Original, oil finishes.

_________________
http://www.sixgunguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:39 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:32 pm
Posts: 3470
First name: Alex
Last Name: Kleon
City: Whitby
State: Ontario
Zip/Postal Code: L1N8X2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
If your fingerboard blank is thick enough, flatten the best side on a jointer, then run it through a thickness planer. This is the side that glues to the neck. The jointed side doesn't need to be perfect if you are putting a radius on it and are removing enough material. If the planer has two speeds, use the slower one for a better surface finish, and less chance of chipping.

Alex

_________________
"Indecision is the key to flexibility" .... Bumper sticker


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com