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Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Spiral Template Router Bit

Does anyone know wher I can find a spiral down-cut template bit with a top bearing? I've found them for flush trim applications but nothing for template applications.

thanks.

Author:  Don Williams [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

sharp_custom wrote:
Does anyone know wher I can find a spiral down-cut template bit with a top bearing? I've found them for flush trim applications but nothing for template applications.

thanks.


Please explain? Wouldn't you want a flush-trim bit for this?

Whiteside makes a great top-double-bearing spiral bit for this. Woodcraft sells them
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=8004.

Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Don Williams wrote:
sharp_custom wrote:
Does anyone know wher I can find a spiral down-cut template bit with a top bearing? I've found them for flush trim applications but nothing for template applications.

thanks.


Please explain? Wouldn't you want a flush-trim bit for this?

Whiteside makes a great top-double-bearing spiral bit for this. Woodcraft sells them
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=8004.


Thanks Don. A flush trim bit won't work because I need for the free end to mill the piece while following a template above.

Author:  Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Don Williams wrote:
sharp_custom wrote:
Does anyone know wher I can find a spiral down-cut template bit with a top bearing? I've found them for flush trim applications but nothing for template applications.

thanks.


Please explain? Wouldn't you want a flush-trim bit for this?

Whiteside makes a great top-double-bearing spiral bit for this. Woodcraft sells them
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=8004.


I belive this is what Grumpy said he was using to trim tops and backs flush to rims

Author:  WaddyThomson [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Grumpy uses the Zip spiral flush trim bits that you can get at the BORG.

Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

WaddyT wrote:
Grumpy uses the Zip spiral flush trim bits that you can get at the BORG.



Right. But I need a bit with the bearing on the other end (the one nearest the router collet).

Author:  Chas Freeborn [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

I do all my template work with a rub collar and straight (or the occasional dovetail for neck joints) bits. The bits are cheaper, abundant and it's easier to adjust depth of cut.

-C

Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Chas Freeborn wrote:
I do all my template work with a rub collar and straight (or the occasional dovetail for neck joints) bits. The bits are cheaper, abundant and it's easier to adjust depth of cut.

-C


Straight bits are chipping the heck out of my projects.

Author:  Chas Freeborn [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

"chipping" should not be a function of where the reference (collar or bearing) is. When I say "straight" I mean a cutter that does not have a contour. I use straight spiral bits for template work.
I sense a need for a template tutorial....
-C

Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Chas Freeborn wrote:
"chipping" should not be a function of where the reference (collar or bearing) is. When I say "straight" I mean a cutter that does not have a contour. I use straight spiral bits for template work.
I sense a need for a template tutorial....
-C


Yes, chipping has nothing to do with where the bearing is. However, my template is stationary and the material is only accessible from the top (the template is part of a larger fixture). So, the router is handheld and follows the template. Therefore, the bearing has to be on the collet side of the bit. That's why I am looking for a spiral or shear cutting template bit as opposed to a flush trim bit. I know what bits to use where and why. I am just looking for the bit I know will suit my needs.

Author:  Kent Chasson [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Try this link to a previous thread...

viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=17275&hilit=router+bit

If it doesn't work, search for my name and "spiral bit".

I ended up buying the Oemco bit. It's a monster but it works great.

edit: I just saw that you are thinking hand-held. The Oemco bit is way to big for that. The other one mentioned might work.

By the way, thanks for that info, Charles.

Author:  sharp_custom [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

Kent Chasson wrote:
Try this link to a previous thread...

http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/view ... router+bit

If it doesn't work, search for my name and "spiral bit".

I ended up buying the Oemco bit. It's a monster but it works great.

edit: I just saw that you are thinking hand-held. The Oemco bit is way to big for that. The other one mentioned might work.

By the way, thanks for that info, Charles.


Thanks for the help. Looks like I may be able to use the other one.

Thanks again!!

Author:  Chris Paulick [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

There was just a discussion on that at MIMF and I have the 2" cut length upcut flush cut trim bit with the bearing on the bottom that I use in my router table which I believe is only made by Whiteside. I contacted them to see if they made one with a top bearing and they replied that they don't have a way to make a carbide shaft that a bearing could be put on at this time. They hope to be able to make that type of bit in the future. But they make an upcut and a downcut and a up/downcut flush cut trim bit.

Author:  Kim [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

sharp_custom wrote:
Chas Freeborn wrote:
"chipping" should not be a function of where the reference (collar or bearing) is. When I say "straight" I mean a cutter that does not have a contour. I use straight spiral bits for template work.
I sense a need for a template tutorial....
-C


Yes, chipping has nothing to do with where the bearing is. However, my template is stationary and the material is only accessible from the top (the template is part of a larger fixture). So, the router is handheld and follows the template. Therefore, the bearing has to be on the collet side of the bit. That's why I am looking for a spiral or shear cutting template bit as opposed to a flush trim bit. I know what bits to use where and why. I am just looking for the bit I know will suit my needs.


Am I missing something here? Why in this application can't a normal 'no bearing' straight cut spiral bit be used with a simple template guide fitted to the base to follow the template?

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Cheers

Kim

Author:  Chris Paulick [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spiral Template Router Bit

My guess would be the template isn't off set for a router bushing and is set up for a flush cut bit.

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