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I do agree to what you wrote Rod. although and why is that ? .
A long time back I spoke up about this forum becoming a marketplace for selling stuff, I am not sure anyone remember that, but it became a lot of voice about me saying so. then what happened ? well a lot of folks lost good money to someone selling wood here, then the tone of most of you all changed !!

Anyway its not a big thing. Whatever keeps the boat floating is good i guess. Sometimes when things comes down in writing and there is no face behind the text, words tend to become stronger than what they really are. .

Lars.

ermmm....I seriously don't think the issues with previous wood sale problems have any bearing whatsoever on what your OP is about Lars...keep on focus d00d and don't drift off to some other issue that has already been dealt with in a rather finalistic way

about the only issue I see (well really I don't as I am not a member of the classifieds section) here is that some people are apparently joining the forum just to be able to advertise in the classifieds and I do admit that would appear to be in direct competition to the much higher paying forum sponsors...I will agree in theory that the classifieds should be for members being able to attempt to sell some of their personal stash for whatever reasons they may be currently experiencing as opposed to a way of getting in the back door and being able to advertise at far cheaper rates than the forum sponsors (who are some very nice people)

Well, many of the "old timers" probably left because it got to big. I did for a season, and it was because it got to big and the smallness of my local pub was lost.....still is. The OLF will never be the same as it was back in 2004.... but that's OK, everything changes.

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Truth is, many of the old timers left because it got downright unfriendly around here for a time, and often their advice was argued rather than taken at it's face value. Not only that, it was often argued with little merit.

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Waddy,
I disagree with you for no reason other than to be disagreeable! Lol just kidding!

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Well, there was probably more to it than that too.

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I agree that may have been the problem for many of the amateur builders, but if we are talking a lack of participation by pro's these days, then I reckon its more likely that the reality of the internet being a great time waster finally hit home. What we seen in the early days was mass participation by many pros based upon the belief there would be some gain in profile that would translate to sales. As time went by that proved not to be the case for most and as many of those guys have had their own professional/social 'face to face' network established over many years, the word of that spread, and whilst that process may have taken more time for some than it did others, we have indeed seen a great exodus of high level builders from forums across the internet.

Also in the early days, with so many pros on-line exchanging ideas and experience between 'themselves', there were rich pickings for all because for the first time ever this medium allowed peer exchange at a global level so there was much meat on the bones of the beast for all. But let's face it, if you've been working as a full time builder/repairer for 20+ years, its not going to take you too long to eat your fill and leave the table. What's more, your not going to get a lot out of logging on for second helpings only to read the same questions again and again like "how thick should I make my guitar top?" or "when I tried tightening the truss rod it was really tight, so I grabbed a helper bar to put on the end of the allen wrench and that seemed to make things a lot better, so much so that now I can adjust it with my fingers.....problem is it don't seem to be having much affect anymore...what can I do?"

There is also the fact that many of the "old timers" were rude to each other. We hear the suggestion of some up start, know it all, noob, having the audacity to challenged the word of the master, and that has happen now and then, but they are usually quickly put in their place. As I see it, the fall out that's had the most damaging impact to the old timers ongoing participation is when two of them that are pigheaded, lock horns. In that circumstance neither is going to publicly concede.....they just leave and laugh about it all six month later over a beer...but with lessons learnt, they don't come back.

Cheers

Kim

Well, there's that stuff too, Kim. No wonder they left!

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Great! I just did my first subscription to the classifieds a couple of nights ago and was thinking of trying to sell a few sets. The last thing I want is some crazy a** Swede getting all righteous on we for trying to sell a little wood. Might as well just give the stuff away I guess.

Kidding of course Lars. Hopefully Lance does make enough to make it worthwhile. I'm a little reluctant to sell wood just because there are sponsors paying for that right.

Cheers,
Danny

Well, by Old Timer's I wasn't meaning the pro's. I was thinking of guys like Bruce Dickey, Old Man Ron Wisdom (who pops in now and then), Paul Davis, Paul Woolson (yes, he's a fine pro, but was an original rat pack...), Don Atwood, Dave Rector, CrazymanMichael (who's shown up again recently). There was real comrodary in the early days that just doesn't happen anymore. It never will be the same, that's the nature of change right. And that's OK.

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I wasn't here early on, but I've been made to feel quite welcome and I appreciate the supportive and cooperative spirit of the place. And while I've never met any of you face-to-face, I consider you all to be my comrades.

I like the Classifieds section and have made several purchases through those listings. It's a good value, in my opinion, and offers a nice way to get to know people a little bit better. It seems to be working well and I trust that Lance understands the nuances of running this forum far more astutely than I ever could.

Sorry if anyone feels insulted or offended that I don't include my full identity in my username. I have personal and professional reasons for this decision and hope you will judge my character by my behavior here on the forum and not simply because of my differing perspective in regards to this particular issue.

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Been here since day one. Worked in pro shops and know why some of them left. I have been back some the last couple of months, but it hasn't improved in some of the areas and reasons many pro's left and there are contacts with those trusted for infomation when needed.

What I find surprising is that anybody could believe everything at an internet forum could ever be just how 'they' would like it to be.....to the point where they would then go public and grizzle about it in the....."GUITAR BUILDING FORUM". To suggest other paid up members are degenerating this forum somehow just because they attempt to sell stuff when they have full right to do so is quite unfair. To suggest that "people should go elsewhere" if they won't provide their full name to the planet is plain rude... So what's next big brother, you want our address also? How about our phone numbers? Kids names? Perhaps our credit card number, political, religious, and sexual preference..s ??? What difference would any of it make?

The point is that it's the 'World Wide Web'. Anyone can give any name they want and no one would be any the wiser and with so many people from all walks of life coming from all over the globe, maybe tolerance, acceptance, and thicker skin will save a lot of the angst...As George so eloquently suggested, perhaps judgement is best reserved for conduct alone..

Hey Lance, when was it you put on new moderators, I don't recall the announcement?

Cheers

Kim

Danny Hope all is well with you my friend. You know its always fun to stir up the pot. ...
I will now follow Filippos advise .

Buddy Lars

Can I get a ...beer???

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