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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:25 am 
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Actually , while I totally agree about the glue surface area , Todd Stock had pointed that out a few posts ago. I have seen thinner braces but that was on a classical. I don't think you want to go thinner that 1/4 inch. There is a balance involved here. You can over loosen the top and at that point you will ruin the instrument. You also can ad a few different glue choices. I do use mostly tite bond , but you can add HHG and fish glue , white glue etc. One more point is gluing technique. Be clean and precise on gluing for best results. Bad glue joints do more harm than good.
The "headroom" of a guitar is that envelope that lets you have a range of playability before the tone and voice break up . If you build a guitar too light you can't play it hard . The tone will break down as you overload the top with the stress of the strings. There is much going on from the saddle. Too heavy of a guitar and it will be dead . I would rather over brace it than under brace as you can always lighten it but once the wood is off , it can't be put back on.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:11 am 
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Jeff Highland wrote:
A t beam arrangement would also not allow you to reduce stiffness selectively to voice the top.


If you look at the pics on David's site, you'll see that the T brace is in fact, glued such that it provides easy voicing options.

I've used I beam braces on my last several banduras and that definitely eliminates any tuning possibilities. Fortunately for me, I wouldn't know where to begin when it comes to tuning braces laughing6-hehe gaah. I beaming the brace dropped the mass by about 25%


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:55 pm 
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Andy Birko wrote:
" I beaming the brace dropped the mass by about 25%"

The mass of the brace, right? All of the braces together are seldom as much as 25% of the total weight of the top. 25% of 25% is, um, (push buttons)6.25% of the total weight of the top; say 11-12 grams. You could save that much weight by using rosewood instead of ebony for the bridge. You've also done a lot of extra work and relinquished the chance to tune the braces significantly. I dunno...


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:21 am 
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Alan Carruth wrote:
and relinquished the chance to tune the braces significantly. I dunno...


If I had any idea how to tune a bandura brace I wouldn't be I beaming them. I'm too scared though as there's lots of down force on a bandura top and I'm afraid that thinning parts of the bracing may end up with a too weak top.

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