Official Luthiers Forum!

Solely owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:10 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:53 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1364
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I have built about 17 guitars, three of which have been electrics, but I have never done a refret before. I have an '88 American Std. Strat with a maple fretboard that could use a refret. I figure I should be able to do it since I have installed frets on 17 guitars. I'm a little timid about it though, mostly because of dealing with the finish on the fretboard and the edge of the fretboard where I would file the fret ends. Also, I suspect that the finish could be impacted where fret tangs appear on the edge... I presume the finish is nitro...

Can I simply remove the frets, install new ones, file the ends, and then mask the rest of the neck, and then spray nitro over the fretboard ? Could I use a rattle can? ...or should I not mask. I don't really want to refinish the whole neck. You can see I have a number of questions. But, hey, I figure that's what the OLF is for.

Seems like this would be an educational exercise. It also seems a little silly for me to get someone else to do it...

Any suggestions or direction to informational documentation would be appreciated.
Steve

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:46 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 899
First name: Freeman
Last Name: Keller
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I haven't done a maple strat but Erlewine has a pretty good section on it in his repair book. He also talks about how to deal with the frets that are pressed in from the side.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:26 pm 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 9894
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Maple boards are a PITA and refinishing is often if not usually necessary. If you want to level the board, and that's one of the real advantages of a refret being able to correct the flaws in the fret plane refinishing is necessary. By correct the flaws I mean create more relief on the bass side and less on the treble side AND most of the time eliminate the single most limiting factor in Fender style bolt-on necks and that's the ski ramp at the body transition.

Most pro Luthiers will charge more for doing a maple neck because of the refinishing AND time required to let the finish cure. There are short cuts when and only when appropriate for the instrument AND the player is OK with it too. One short cut if it meets the aforementioned criteria of appropriateness is to use an alternative finish on the board such as a wipe on poly, Waterlox, etc. Again this is only when it's appropriate for the instrument were veering away from f*ctory, OEM methods are justified and when the player is OK with it too.

I can't remember the cut off date for sideways mounted frets but 88 may be conventionally, top down install. I'll check and get back to you.

By the way maple boards on Strats are such a PITA to service that I avoided one on my own personal Strat purchased about five years ago now.

If they are side installs we notch them, the frets with a Dr*mel and then use that notch to get a purchase on the fret and drive it back out sideways. It's less of a PITA than one would think and goes pretty quickly. They are driven out in the reverse of how they were driven in meaning they are driven out from the treble side to the bass side. Once out the new ones can be installed conventionally, meaning top down.

Here is a pictorial essay that we have on our web site for more information:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/a2guitars/photos/?tab=album&album_id=100770106696751



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post: Clinchriver (Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:26 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:54 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 3483
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
First, find out if the finish is nitro, poly, or other. It might be important.

I've done it several ways, none are ever easy. Once I even did a Dan Erlewine thing by leveling the maple fingerboard, and finishing it with a couple coats of cyanoacrylate. Then I cleaned out the slots with a Dremel and a dental burr, and fretted as usual.

Spraying nitro over the frets requires cleaning the lacquer off the frets every couple spray sessions. I don't recommend trying to tape them off.... it's messy, and more work. If you don't spray it on super thick, you can hit the top of the frets with a flat file and sandpaper to polish them.

No matter how you choose to do it, charge twice as much as you would for non-maple. Maybe more. It's just a pain. Good luck!

_________________
Stop saying "How stupid can you get?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge!



These users thanked the author Chris Pile for the post (total 2): Clinchriver (Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:26 am) • Hesh (Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:25 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:27 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1364
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks guys, I knew it would be a PITA. On a new build, I would file the ends of the frets lengthwise across all of the frets at an angle before finishing. On a refret, I'm not sure how to file the fret ends without impacting the finish...

How could I find out if my "88 Strat was, 1) finished in nitro or something else? ...and 2) whether the frets were installed sideways instead of straight in?

BTW - Hesh, I saw the Ann Arbor video on youtube on sideways removal. Very good...

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com



These users thanked the author sdsollod for the post: Hesh (Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:30 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:26 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 pm
Posts: 1107
Location: Andersonville
State: Tennessee
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Like Chris said figure out your finish, Lacquer is your friend
Tele and a Strat, refret, Jescar SS frets, did the money in the bank Ann Arbor Guitars fretboard mill, addressed the ski ramp on both necks. Paid close attention to the particular radius of each fret using Dave Collins cauls by Andy Birko, careful clean up, couple of light coats of Mohawk Piano Lacquer over the frets. The level crown and polish took care of the lacquer on the frets. I like maple necks :mrgreen:


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.



These users thanked the author Clinchriver for the post (total 2): SteveSmith (Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:02 am) • Hesh (Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:31 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:29 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 3483
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Looks great!

_________________
Stop saying "How stupid can you get?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge!



These users thanked the author Chris Pile for the post: Clinchriver (Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:52 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1364
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
"...not sure how to file the fret ends without impacting the finish..." ...on the edges.

Any comments?

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:27 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 pm
Posts: 1107
Location: Andersonville
State: Tennessee
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
sdsollod wrote:
"...not sure how to file the fret ends without impacting the finish..." ...on the edges.

Any comments?


Lacquer is your friend, match the color and hit the fretboard, top and sides. This earlier thread discussed the other options
viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=49900


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com