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Author:  ZekeM [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:17 pm ]
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Awesome work Doug!!! What are the lamination layers in your neck? I really like the look. You are underway now, it won't be long till you have the box closed up.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:24 pm ]
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ZekeM wrote:
Awesome work Doug!!! What are the lamination layers in your neck? I really like the look. You are underway now, it won't be long till you have the box closed up.

Thanks Zeke. Lamination is simply maple and walnut. I don't want a lot of fancy binding on this beast. I am hoping the visual appeal will be in the contrasting colours of maple/sitka along with walnut binding and headstock and ebony fingerboard and bridge. The soundhole will also be lined with a ring of thin walnut.

Here is a pic of the type of look I am going for and it comes from this website with some really cool, artistic guitars:
http://guitarrascustom.blogspot.ca/2011/05/5-string-acoustic-bass-italian-spruce.html
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Author:  Doug Balzer [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:14 am ]
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dbalzer wrote:

Neck lamination...I neglected to ensure it is straight side to side when clamping and now there is a curve of 1/16". Tempted to leave it as it will never be really noticeable once the fingerboard is on. Tempted also to redo it. I'll let is sit for a while and see how I feel later on. I'm learning that sometimes the best thing to do in lutherie is to walk away from the project and get back into a zen place.

So I've decided to redo the neck. I'm considering this to be a normal luthier experience. Get it right. Minimize that which you compromise. It's only time and wood. Move on and get over it. I'll NEVER regret correcting minor mistakes that only I would have noticed. I'll always regret not fixing things that I will always think of when I look at the finished product for years to come. I should note that it took me a few days to arrive at this...also normal in the life of the luthier I presume.
Author:  miramadar [ Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:25 pm ]
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I'm totally stealing your radius dish-making idea!! That's awesome. I LOVE that kind of ingenuity.

Awesome build, BTW.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:30 pm ]
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Notice the string anchors near tail block to accommodate classical bass strings.

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Thinning the 0.065" walnut centre strip prior to glue up.

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Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:59 pm ]
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Prepping the 0.1" walnut sound hole binding ... Drying after bending on iron.

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Not shown: 1/8" Baltic birch ply patch surrounding sound hole.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:03 pm ]
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So up until now I have not managed but only measured the RH in my shop. The RH in the shop has ranged from 25% - 45%. Now that I have my top and back plates thinned to size I can so easily see the rapid impact humidity has on my tonewood. So prior to further assembly such as bracing, closing the box, etc., I am now the proud owner of a humidifier for the shop.
I am going to aim for 40%. My region in western Canada is naturally quite dry.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:59 pm ]
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Humidity is now stable and so is the wood. Here are some progress pics. I can't tell you how much fun all of this is!

You will notice the top bracing is highly unconventional. This is largely due to the strings terminating near the tail block and therefore eliminating much stress at the floating bridge.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:36 pm ]
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End flash done. Time to put the top on.
Author:  ZekeM [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:50 am ]
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You are moving right along. I got some catching up to do!
Author:  nickinbruns [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:32 pm ]
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Looking good, mate.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:33 pm ]
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So I was not totally pleased with that first end flash as it was slightly out of balance. The biggest thing I am learning in this new challenge is to step back and think before committing myself to a course of action. The first attempt on the maple inlay, I attempted to hold the inlay manually while I scribed around it but it moved and I didn't really notice until later on. On this attempt I first of all chose a piece of maple that continues the grain through from rib to rib. I also glued it down in place with liquid hide glue before scribing. After scribing I heated up the inlay to release it...worked much better and, obviously, held its desired position.
This is my second such "do-over." Definitely won't be my last. Neck #1 is coming in handy as a test cut object prior to running Neck #2 through a machine. Don't burn mistakes too quickly!
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:18 pm ]
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Author:  Doug Balzer [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:20 pm ]
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Glued the soundboard on. I suspect it is quite normal for the builder to begin to "pretend play" the guitar at this point?
Author:  nickinbruns [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:44 pm ]
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Yup.....

At least on the first few ;)
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:19 pm ]
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Productive day today: fingerboard cut, side dots, truss rod installed, string anchor cover plates inlayed, bridge rough shaped, headstock shaped with Claro walnut book matched veneer. The back plate is not on yet on as I am waiting for a pick up that is on order. It is installed under the bridge (not saddle) and I think it will be much easier to install prior to attaching the backplate. Unlike a standard guitar the soundhole on this oversized beast is a long ways from the bridge.
Author:  nickinbruns [ Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:21 am ]
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Sadly, Doug, you have neglected to put in a belly cut and an armrest. I am deeply disappointed.... laughing6-hehe

Just kidding. Looks great. I wnat ot know all about this one, as it's coming up on my list soon, soon, my pretty--- wow7-eyes not you Doug, the bass build.......
Author:  Clinchriver [ Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:24 am ]
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What a beast, looking good, I'm interested in hearing this one with the classical strings.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14 am ]
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I'm really looking forward to stringing it up as well. Obviously the hope is that it sounds much more like an upright bass than a steel string acoustic bass. Imagine my disappoint if it truly disappoints.... To win the challenge I could always "dub" in a maestro playing a double upright ;)
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:36 pm ]
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Uh oh. Attn: fretless bass players! See the YouTube video here that contains a serious warning against pursuing the fretless bass. Am I making a mistake? ;)

http://youtu.be/qJ0jE7_r3dg
Author:  ZekeM [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:41 pm ]
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Hilarious Doug! I will be sharing that with my bass playing friends.
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:29 pm ]
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Aargh!!! So I have had to make two necks, two headstock veneers and now, out of necessity, my second bridge. The journey continues. This is known as the learning curve. All I can say regarding cutting saddle slots is...use a straight bit, not a up-cutting spiral bit. DUH!
Author:  Casey Cochran [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:09 pm ]
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Since we are making fun, a bass player told me this one at a bluegrass jam:

While a band was on stage, the guitarist was thinking, "Gee, I think that cute girl on the front row likes me." The drummer was thinking, "Gee, I hope we make enough money to get my van fixed." The bass player was thinking, "Gee..... G... G... G..." laughing6-hehe

Looking good, Doug. Keep it up!
Author:  Doug Balzer [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:15 pm ]
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Very good Casey. When I play bass I don't think at all....known as the "chronic bass player staring into space" thing.
Author:  PeterF [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:53 am ]
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Casey Cochran wrote:
While a band was on stage, the guitarist was thinking, "Gee, I think that cute girl on the front row likes me." The drummer was thinking, "Gee, I hope we make enough money to get my van fixed." The bass player was thinking, "Gee..... G... G... G..." laughing6-hehe

Lol, sounds like cellist's have the same problem as bass players!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV5_xj_yuhs
laughing6-hehe
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