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 Post subject: Re: Types of glue to use
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:39 am 
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AR15DCM wrote:
What do you all think of the Titebond Liquid Hideglue? Haven't seen any threads on any boards, anywhere, mentioning it much less discussing using it.



I tried liquid hide glue and would not be recommending it. You would be better off with standard hide glue and what I do is to use a little baby bottle warmer available for a few quid, and stick a thermometer to keep a check on the temperature. I just mix the hide glue in a jam jar with a hole in the lid for the thermometer, plug in the bottle warmer and have it quarter full of water and pop the jar into it with the thermometer sticking out through the hole in the lid. It flows much easier than the bottled glue and sets rock hard afterwards. I had heard many horror stories on the bottled hide glue but tried it regardless. I was not impressed and went back to the old way of doing things
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 Post subject: Re: Types of glue to use
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:50 am 
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+1 on leaving the liquid, bottled, Hide Glue on the shelf at the store - it's not the same as HHG by any means...

We all build at least slightly differently so glue choices are a personal preference thing as well as what's best for the job.

For all of time.... guitars have been built with the idea of serviceability which means building AND gluing in a manner that can be serviced into the future. HHG is great for this in so much as it can be released with heat and moisture and even reactivated and added to 50 years down the road.

Titebond original, not the II or III etc.

Here is a brief glance at what glues I use where and again others are likely using other glues in other ways - there is NO one accepted way to do most of these things.

Braces, bridge plate, bridge - HHG (the real stuff...)
Joining plates - HHG or Titebond and when I mention Titebond I always mean Titebond original
fret board to the neck - Titebond or quality epoxy. Headed back to Titebond for this after a good conversation with Link.
Blocks to the rim - Titebond
headplates - Titebond
linings - Titebond
bindings - Titebond
label - 3M spray stuff
rosette - Titebond (I use wood rosettes)
Neck to body including dovetail and extension - HHG or Titebond

When considering all of these different applications keep in mind what may need to be serviced in the future. A good example of this is that acoustics usually need a neck reset 10 - 40 years out so the glue should be serviceable such as HHG or Titebond.

An example of something that likely would not need to be serviced is the rosette and some folks use CA for this and the same holds true with bindings. I personally use Titebond for both rosettes and bindings and again it's some personal preference and sometimes application driven as well. I use wood bindings and rosettes so Titebond works for me.

Lots of stuff in the archives about glue including the penchant of Luthiers to fight over glue choices as well....;)

Haven't tried Titebond Extend but the name sounds like a commercial for an ED drug so I'm staying away from it.....



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 Post subject: Re: Types of glue to use
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:34 pm 
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All good advise from Hesh !!
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